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KA A320 does unfavorable diversion

Old 26th Aug 2016, 02:46
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KA A320 does unfavorable diversion

Last week KA064 did an air turn back to Kota Kinabalo. They had a hydraulics overheat, which remained illuminated. The position of the aircraft was abeam Manila, enroute to HKG. The approx flight time to Manila wad 25 mins. The flight time to return to BKI was around 1hour 10 mins including the 180deg turn.
IOC advised Manila and even the KA Chief Pilot got in on the act, and advised divert to Manila.

The plane did a 180 deg and flew back to Kota Kinabalo, with the green hydraulics in a state of over overheat. The crew consisted of a senior first officer, currently working out his notice , and a junior Captain of the spikey hair , Pokemon Go generation ( You all know where im going with this

When asked why he diverted to BKI, the captain allegedly stated he had never flown to Manila.

No feedback from management on this one . Go figure
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 03:45
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The crew consisted of a senior first officer, currently working out his notice , and a junior Captain of the spikey hair , Pokemon Go generation ( You all know where im going with this
It is hard to take your post seriously when it contains this kind of nonsensical elitist trash.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 05:24
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Wait wait, let me get this strait.

The captain was playing Pokemon Go and it took him to KK?

Unbelievable.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 05:32
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The crew consisted of a senior first officer, currently working out his notice , and a junior Captain of the spikey hair , Pokemon Go generation ( You all know where im going with this
Yeah we know where you're going with this, you are going straight up to management and hand in your resignation letter, so you can go back to your back country farmhouse and not having to worry about your colleagues having better hair or more tech savvy than you. Clearly you admit you are getting too old for this game and should be quietly sailing off into the sunset.

Oh yeah btw, you spelt Kota Kinabalu, your online port, wrong in your post, TWICE. So much for being the "experienced" bunch in KA.

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Old 26th Aug 2016, 06:11
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What a **** move. <----Tango Whiskey Alpha Tango>

First his FO bad mouths him to the cabin crew and now his 'colleague' vilifies him on PPRuNe.

He made a decision, everybody lived. Yes, he regrets it in hindsight and no, he wouldn't make the same decision if presented with the same scenario again.

He's not one of the 'spikey hair' brigade, doesn't behave in the manner you seem so keen to attribute to them and happens to be one hell of a nice guy. He just happened to have been born in HK and there lies YOUR problem.

Get out of this company, you're not welcome here. Go directly to jail, do not pass Go!, do not collect your gratuity.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 06:39
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Whilst the OP has shot himself in the foot by being slightly disparaging about our HK born friends, I can still see his point and all of you should wind your necks in.

Overheat of ANYTHING is one step down from the biggest f**king emergency possible on a plane- regardless whether the computer tells me Land ASAP in amber or red - use ur brain.So this clown decides to turn back around because Manila with one ILS and an RNAV is unfamiliar???

I'd rather land in Manila than have to land in Puerto princesa because the overheat turned into something much worse.

One day, just one day. Its only a matter of time... Mark my words
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 07:32
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On the other hand he had the intestinal fortitude to make a Captain's decision to overrule both IOC and the CP, and did what he thought was right. Sure, we can monday morning quaterback it, and learn from it. But hardly seems "spiky haired" behaviour or to be condemned out of hand
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 09:34
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Let's not vilify the poor guy in public because he made a decision and safely got the airplane on the ground.
Come on Dan this is FH, it's what we do

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Old 26th Aug 2016, 11:16
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Heaven forbid diverting to destination when BKI was so close. More to this than meets the eye, even forgetting MNL for a minute (or 25).
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 11:44
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That man is one of us, and we should all back him up 100%.

They're all safe, and the airplane is in one piece. What is there to discuss? The extra dough KA will have to cough up for the jet A and flying an engineer down there? Cry me a bleeding river. They can take it off our profit share.

It's bad enough that management is constantly breathing down our necks, ready to jump at our throats at the slightest sideways fart we make.
We all have bad days, however much some of us seem to believe they are above all judgement (and races, apparently...), and when those bad days happen and it's knives out with the fleet office, we'd at least want our colleagues to not stab us in the back as well.

And keep your racist drivel to yourself, or the youtube comment section. While you're there, you can binge watch Donald Trump campaign speeches.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 13:08
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Manila less than half the flying time away, CX port, IOC and CP begging you to go there and the G Hyd is f###ed.......Hmmmm sounds like a great idea to go back to Kota K.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 15:24
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Originally Posted by Xwindldg View Post
Manila less than half the flying time away, CX port, IOC and CP begging you to go there and the G Hyd is f###ed.......Hmmmm sounds like a great idea to go back to Kota K.
All 40 minutes difference, WOW!! He desired to go to a KA port and do you know for SURE that IOC and the CP was BEGGING him to go to Manila or was that possibly a suggestion?
You have all the facts?

There are hundreds of ways to skin a cat.
All is well, everybody safe, great result, well done and let 's move on. Next case....

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Old 26th Aug 2016, 21:33
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@Dan Buster: couldn't have said it any better. This is one of the problems with our profession (and part of the reason why our conditions continue to suffer), there's simply too many out there that would rather watch a guy crash and burn than to lay a helping hand. Once guys figure out that we are all in this together and that the only way up is by building rather than tearing down, then perhaps, just perhaps we might one day hold the upper hand on those that deem our profession nothing more than a bunch of trained monkeys pressing buttons.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 22:44
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Tsimbeit,

Either he is your mate or it was you so that's ok. Pretty hard to justify flying an extra 40 minutes with a major malfunction when he/you could have gone to MNL.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 23:00
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Return to base was a solid call in my opinion, if not time critical, no need to go rushing into an unfamiliar port, pax don't want to be in Manilla anyway, either Hong Kong or kk.

Rather happy he didn't buckle under the pressure of OPS or management and worked autonomously to a solution.

Ps not on Airbus, so I have no idea how time critical the failure was.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 23:40
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Not throwing stones here. Simply making comment regarding some queries from non Airbus guys above. Time critical? There are 3 hydraulic systems. From my understanding of the event 'one' of them had an overheat. Not failure. Airbus do not consider one hydraulic system shut down a significant event. Neither does KA. Hence, perhaps, some of the sarcasm above.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 02:31
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Xwind landing, no it wasn't me or my mate, I am sorry to disappoint you.

Do you ever wonder why many people don't respect 'pilots' nowadays?

It is because of a group of embarrassing, miserable losers like yourself.

Toxic and selfish, no team players, unhappy, dogmatic, negative, disappointed and angry about most things in their sad lives.

This is dangerous because they also believe that they are better than others and unfortunately people around them must suffer their BS and boring company.

Sadly their best mate is, schadenfreude.

Next case.....

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Old 27th Aug 2016, 02:57
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Tismbeit,

I've made plenty of f### ups, no shame in it as long as you learn from it. Your mate made a bad decision simple as that. No point trying to argue the sky isn't blue.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 03:15
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Xwindldg, quite obviously what you learned from your f**k ups were to publicly shame others when given the opportunity, so you can find some sort of moral redemption yourself. Can't wait to hear you criticizing your own mistakes next.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 03:18
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You can say he made a bad decision all you like, as far as I'm concerned you didn't provide any evidence for that statement.

Dan Buster already explained that there were three possible decisions to make of which he chose a perfectly valid one. The company might not have agreed as operationally it might not have been their preference, but who cares? Ultimately the decision to return stands up to scrutiny. It was not time critical, the plane was not on fire, the passengers just came from BKI, etc.

I'm surprised how a non-event can turn into such a vilification excersize. Give it a rest.
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