CX382 ZRH-HKG intercepted over Hungary today
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CX382 ZRH-HKG intercepted over Hungary today
Cathay B-777 (B-KPF) operating flight CX382 ZRH-HKG had been intercepted by two Hungarian Gripens today after failing to contact Austrian/Hungarian ATC. Reportedly (as the aircraft did not deviate from the flight plan route) they were "handed over" to Romanian ATC after "visual identification". The case made it to the news in Hungary to explain the sonic boom which was caused by the fighters proceeding to catch the Triple.
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How come the 777 seems to be crewed by the biggest bunch of misfits in CX. Or is it just the standard of training that is "guaranteed to be upheld" slipping as the Trainers suggested?
In the senior fleet! you cant take off your headsets!
In the senior fleet! you .......!
In the senior fleet! you cant take off your headsets!
In the senior fleet! you .......!
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Seems CX are not the first...
British Airways flight to London Heathrow intercepted by fighter jets over Hungary
British Airways flight to London Heathrow intercepted by fighter jets over Hungary
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In my opinion incidents like these are inevitable and will increase as CX continue to lower the experience level on the flight deck and also fly those lesser experienced crews to the legal limits of fatigue.
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If they were coming from ZRH they would have been handed off by Wien or Bratislava and squawking a discrete code. It seems a bit extreme of the Hungarians, an EU country, to fire off a couple of supersonic fighters for what is clearly an airliner, especially when coming from continental Europe rather than, say, Ukraine/Russia?
Anyway guys listen out, and keep 121.5 turned up to an audible level too!
Anyway guys listen out, and keep 121.5 turned up to an audible level too!
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Re-reading the OP carefully, if they hadn't contacted Wien either, then Budapest would be the second FIR they were flying through without R/T contact. Did they miss their handover from Swiss/Langen?
In any case, I suppose at some point one does have to make sure that the airliner hasn't been hijacked... cue another "listen out" NTC.
In any case, I suppose at some point one does have to make sure that the airliner hasn't been hijacked... cue another "listen out" NTC.
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1.) Take out the CFP and monitor your position, track changes, and upcoming FIR's.
2.) Take out the Enroute Chart and monitor your position, track changes, and upcoming FIR's.
3.) Listen out on the active frequency.
4.) Approachng an FIR, query ATC if handoff does not occur prior to next FIR.
5.) Pre-call any THIRD WORLD FIR PRIOR TO ENTRY.
6.) Google shoot down of KAL 007.
Feel free to add....
2.) Take out the Enroute Chart and monitor your position, track changes, and upcoming FIR's.
3.) Listen out on the active frequency.
4.) Approachng an FIR, query ATC if handoff does not occur prior to next FIR.
5.) Pre-call any THIRD WORLD FIR PRIOR TO ENTRY.
6.) Google shoot down of KAL 007.
Feel free to add....
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If they had a halfway decent EFB ( ie Jepp) the next FIR is so obvious you can't miss it .
did no ATC unit call them in 121.5 to check ,
did no other aircraft in the vicinity make a call
Or was the volume of the speaker turned right down , who knows? but it's easy enough to be caught out by this
But the total lack of RT comms should have been a clue
did no ATC unit call them in 121.5 to check ,
did no other aircraft in the vicinity make a call
Or was the volume of the speaker turned right down , who knows? but it's easy enough to be caught out by this
But the total lack of RT comms should have been a clue
Controlled rest at 3pm Europe time - a bit early, no?!
Maybe after take off from Colombo at 2am but not after a good layover in ZRH unless the cheese fondue was a but heavy.
Maybe after take off from Colombo at 2am but not after a good layover in ZRH unless the cheese fondue was a but heavy.