Pilots ‘worked to death’: Flydubai whistleblower says fatigue-related crash predicted
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Twiglet, I can tell you that our pairings to Middle East and India with 18-30 hours rest blocks (mostly approx 24 hours) are impossible to rest for on the second sector.
Our departures ex-HKG have us landing early morning body clock time and in bed around 3 to 4 am on average. With 2 night's sleep to be achieved in that hotel period, and with call times around 10 to 11 pm HKG body clock time it is absolutely impossible. At best you will get a good solid sleep after landing, and a 2 to 3 hour nap before call.
You are clearly CX management. If you genuinely thought it was a good pairing, you would give everyone a sleep monitor watch and prove yourself correct. (Ha!)
Our departures ex-HKG have us landing early morning body clock time and in bed around 3 to 4 am on average. With 2 night's sleep to be achieved in that hotel period, and with call times around 10 to 11 pm HKG body clock time it is absolutely impossible. At best you will get a good solid sleep after landing, and a 2 to 3 hour nap before call.
You are clearly CX management. If you genuinely thought it was a good pairing, you would give everyone a sleep monitor watch and prove yourself correct. (Ha!)
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Hi Dan
Been working for couple of months under EASA and from the AOC side of the fence much better. The no limits on early/lates/night in a mature AOC protected by Union agreement and FRMS can mean better rosters. No factored sectors which was a CAP371 strange one left from days of Flight Engineers. Yes you can do a lot more hours early doors but that has been the norm for years in Europe.
Another Bus driver
The 18-30hr rest reg was introduced by the UK CAA for day / night rotations to Florida.
It therefore depends in what context the operation is; for example night/day rotations with 18-30hrs rest are scientifically proven to be a good pairing (depending on which route etc)
Been working for couple of months under EASA and from the AOC side of the fence much better. The no limits on early/lates/night in a mature AOC protected by Union agreement and FRMS can mean better rosters. No factored sectors which was a CAP371 strange one left from days of Flight Engineers. Yes you can do a lot more hours early doors but that has been the norm for years in Europe.
Another Bus driver
The 18-30hr rest reg was introduced by the UK CAA for day / night rotations to Florida.
It therefore depends in what context the operation is; for example night/day rotations with 18-30hrs rest are scientifically proven to be a good pairing (depending on which route etc)
