CX101 21Feb
CX101 21Feb
Joined: Mar 2002
Aviation Qualifications: ATP+Mil
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From: Moved beyond
Natca, if you're 'resting' on the jump seat during a HKG-SYD flight where the scheduled sector time is over 9 hours, then you are ILLEGAL.
Last edited by BuzzBox; 21st February 2016 at 02:32.
Joined: Dec 1999
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From: Planet Earth
Have now heard from 2 sources (so must be true!) that one of the Sydney 777 patterns is going back to an airbus full time due crewing issues. All those extra seats (revenue) lost.
Joined: Dec 2015
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From: Nimbus
How it should work:
Commercial department decides on the aircraft they want to use
-> FOP pays what they must to find the crew
-> the crew fly the planes
-> company makes money
How it (doesn't) work(s) at CX:
FOP decides not to pay their crew as they used to
-> FOP doesn't find enough (experienced) crew
-> FOP thinks the only solution is to reduce the number of pilots on long haul flights
-> FOP pisses off / works to death all the remaining pilots and thus has even less pilots available
-> FOP tells commercial department they have to reduce the number of flights
-> company makes less money
I can't believe our managers are so stubborn, proud and arrogant that they can't admit they were wrong.
2006-2008 was not a perfect example as how to run an expansion, but at least we recruited massively.
Now we are just struggling to keep the same amount of pilots.
Commercial department decides on the aircraft they want to use
-> FOP pays what they must to find the crew
-> the crew fly the planes
-> company makes money
How it (doesn't) work(s) at CX:
FOP decides not to pay their crew as they used to
-> FOP doesn't find enough (experienced) crew
-> FOP thinks the only solution is to reduce the number of pilots on long haul flights
-> FOP pisses off / works to death all the remaining pilots and thus has even less pilots available
-> FOP tells commercial department they have to reduce the number of flights
-> company makes less money
I can't believe our managers are so stubborn, proud and arrogant that they can't admit they were wrong.
2006-2008 was not a perfect example as how to run an expansion, but at least we recruited massively.
Now we are just struggling to keep the same amount of pilots.
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 725
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
Its a sh1t show this place. I can't believe they think they can run a global company like this in the 21st century. AT has lost the plot and realized that the Mother Hen approach that she had on Day 1 no longer works and has decided to bury her head in the sand. Not to mention that clown Ivan Who - does he do anything apart from having his picture taken? He is running this place into the ground and the shareholders are allowing it. Maybe its a culture thing that I haven't yet fully grasped in Hong Kong. Either way we all know how sh1te this airline has become. It will be very interesting how long they can survive like this.
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Polar Route
Betpump5,
I agree 100%. The brand has been severely compromised. How long will CX fetch premium fares while other carriers offer the same product or better for less money? I'm not just referring to the ME3, but all the other airlines serving Hong Kong, including LCCs. CX is well and truly middle of the pack now. With declining reliability and OTP, that position is dropping like a rock. What are the Management doing about it? Repainting airplanes! Nero fiddles...
For most foreign carriers, Hong Kong is one of their most profitable routes. How long will they resist adding services here whilst CX flushes its only hub and first mover advantages down the toilet. Between the high fare O&D traffic and all the connecting passengers and cargo, the Hong Kong aviation market is truly a goldmine. Yet, CX has found a way to screw it up despite being the only major airline hubbing from Hong Kong. It's just sad to watch. I'm genuinely worried.
It's liking handing a successful business to one's offspring and watching as they destroy it with their ignorance, laziness, and immaturity. It's pure pain for those who built it with their own hard labour. As CX pilots for XX numbers of years, we all have had a part in growing this Company, but who amongst us feels any pride or ownership as stakeholders? Certainly not me. Is that a failure on my part or did "management" lose the plot somewhere along the way?
This is not irreversible, but it could become so if real leadership does not take over. Swires, I beg of you... Hire some real airline leaders who know what the hell they are doing. These leaders need to understand how all the different moving parts of the airline relate to and synergize with the others. The different departments cannot be viewed in isolation, ignoring the inter-connectedness. CX is managed in vertically non-integrated silos. If that doesn't change, the airline will become irreversiblely doomed within this decade.
I agree 100%. The brand has been severely compromised. How long will CX fetch premium fares while other carriers offer the same product or better for less money? I'm not just referring to the ME3, but all the other airlines serving Hong Kong, including LCCs. CX is well and truly middle of the pack now. With declining reliability and OTP, that position is dropping like a rock. What are the Management doing about it? Repainting airplanes! Nero fiddles...
For most foreign carriers, Hong Kong is one of their most profitable routes. How long will they resist adding services here whilst CX flushes its only hub and first mover advantages down the toilet. Between the high fare O&D traffic and all the connecting passengers and cargo, the Hong Kong aviation market is truly a goldmine. Yet, CX has found a way to screw it up despite being the only major airline hubbing from Hong Kong. It's just sad to watch. I'm genuinely worried.
It's liking handing a successful business to one's offspring and watching as they destroy it with their ignorance, laziness, and immaturity. It's pure pain for those who built it with their own hard labour. As CX pilots for XX numbers of years, we all have had a part in growing this Company, but who amongst us feels any pride or ownership as stakeholders? Certainly not me. Is that a failure on my part or did "management" lose the plot somewhere along the way?
This is not irreversible, but it could become so if real leadership does not take over. Swires, I beg of you... Hire some real airline leaders who know what the hell they are doing. These leaders need to understand how all the different moving parts of the airline relate to and synergize with the others. The different departments cannot be viewed in isolation, ignoring the inter-connectedness. CX is managed in vertically non-integrated silos. If that doesn't change, the airline will become irreversiblely doomed within this decade.
Eidolon
Joined: May 2001
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From: Some hole
Originally Posted by cxorcist
Swires, I beg of you... Hire some real airline leaders who know what the hell they are doing.
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 50
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From: FL370
I've got a mate who is about to finish in Adelaide and has just had his start date pushed back almost 3 months.
No doubt CC is hurting, but it's the training ban that has truly caught them with their pants down. They simply can't fix this mess without us now.
No doubt CC is hurting, but it's the training ban that has truly caught them with their pants down. They simply can't fix this mess without us now.
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 133
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From: Bourbon City
Slam Click
Oddly enough, you could not be more wrong. Those two are cut from the same cloth.
Our issues are very similar to yours.
You should have used a picture of Herb.
Oddly enough, you could not be more wrong. Those two are cut from the same cloth.
Our issues are very similar to yours.
You should have used a picture of Herb.
Last edited by Oldaircrew; 22nd February 2016 at 03:13. Reason: Incorrect grammar