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Cowardice logic. Because I refuse to basically divulge my identity on a public forum you use that as an excuse to not be accountable for your statements?
I have every right to post here. You simply don't like it when someone like me tries to make you accountable for your words, opinions and actions. Pathetic really.
I take it you're a (J?)FO then. Congratulations. You're well on the way to spreading your undercutting-fellow-colleagues-cancer through the ranks.
And the RA incident? I was told by several Capts and FOs about it well before it hit the pprune forums. The iCadets of course will rally behind their own and deny, deny, deny. While the rest of those at CX and us who share the same skies also desperately want it to be untrue as well. Those Capts and FOs tell me it was factual. But in any event, the fact that it's spoken about with such venom yet again voices the severe dislike for what woeful standards (in every sense of the word) this iCadetship and C-Scale represent.
Some more of your words McNugget. I know, I know.... You won't want to be asked to be accountable for them either......
Did you stick up for your colleagues by accepting T&C's disgracefully below the then standard or did you just do whatever was best for "you" and to hell with the long term consequences?
And yet you applied for, asked for and defend your decision to accept a contract that undermines the entire housing scheme at CX??
How dare you complain about receiving EXACTLY what you asked for!? You really are a piece of work.
Minimises the downward pressure? YOU are the downward pressure!!!!! Your actions lead the way!
Sell out your peers? But you describe yourself as a FREELOADER. YOU sold out the pilot body in accepting a contract that undermined theirs. Your arrogance is only matched by your sheer audacity.
Yes. The AOA who you describe as "unfit for purpose" allowed that. But had they have done as you wish you would not exist at CX. You refuse to grasp that let alone acknowledge it. Because of self described freeloaders like yourself CX management have a avenue to "bring everyone down to it/in that direction." Have a look in the mirror and hold yourself accountable. You really are completely conceited to believe otherwise.
ST: if some guy with more jet time than a B-Scale FO or Capt accepted C-Scale then that speaks more for his inability to get a job anywhere else and deciding to undercut the market and join as a C-Scale iCadet. More jet time "when he joined"? So?? Most pilots who joined CX as DESO's had zero "jet" time but 1000's of hours on singles & twin pistons, turboprop time, loads of PIC time, etc... Flying a "jet" is generally the privilege earned after gaining that experience. But if this cadet SO did, then he definitely deserves a reverse high five at the next beach volleyball match, or maybe even a "like" on your cadet C-Scale infamous Facebook page.
And despite your best wishes about my character I would never belittle anyone in public, let alone in a professional workplace like a dispatch office. But what I can tell you is that just about EVERY B-Scale CX pilot I know is sick to death of hearing you brats moan about the hardships of the C-Scale package, about how hard it is to get by, how you're all running to EK (with your wondrous P2X hours!).... Even your hero McNugget here has the arrogance to whine about being unable to afford a family "when the time comes" due the inadequacies of the contract he asked for and accepted. No long term thinking. Just get into a shiny jet, screw over whom ever he can, undercut the market to a disgraceful level, now moan about the AOA not doing more to improve what he has undeniably created. Then get on pprune and parade some form of Machiavelli-peacock feathers about "unity" and "improving pay" all the while being a willing part of the entire problem.
So if you could (which you can't) fathom the frustration at your own existence in CX and what it means to guys who actually earned the job that paid appropriately then you'd understand why their fuses are potentially so short.
I have every right to post here. You simply don't like it when someone like me tries to make you accountable for your words, opinions and actions. Pathetic really.
I take it you're a (J?)FO then. Congratulations. You're well on the way to spreading your undercutting-fellow-colleagues-cancer through the ranks.
And the RA incident? I was told by several Capts and FOs about it well before it hit the pprune forums. The iCadets of course will rally behind their own and deny, deny, deny. While the rest of those at CX and us who share the same skies also desperately want it to be untrue as well. Those Capts and FOs tell me it was factual. But in any event, the fact that it's spoken about with such venom yet again voices the severe dislike for what woeful standards (in every sense of the word) this iCadetship and C-Scale represent.
Some more of your words McNugget. I know, I know.... You won't want to be asked to be accountable for them either......
We all need to stick up for each other and understand the impact of what we're separately concerning ourselves with;
I (an LEP) want the best possible housing outcome for expats. It puts upward pressure on our terms, so it does involve me.
The only complaint you'll hear resonating time and time again from us is that we will be unable to accommodate a family in HK when that time comes.
What we must collectively ensure is that what we get offered to stem that flow minimises the downward pressure exerted on the expat package.
Consequently as a group, we're not short-sighted enough to just sell out our peers over a few measly dollars. It's in everyone's collective interests to look out for each other's benefits.
A Scale allowed B Scale to happen. B Scale allowed C Scale to happen. What's done is done. I believe CX has found the floor, and will be intent on bringing everyone down to it/in that direction.
ST: if some guy with more jet time than a B-Scale FO or Capt accepted C-Scale then that speaks more for his inability to get a job anywhere else and deciding to undercut the market and join as a C-Scale iCadet. More jet time "when he joined"? So?? Most pilots who joined CX as DESO's had zero "jet" time but 1000's of hours on singles & twin pistons, turboprop time, loads of PIC time, etc... Flying a "jet" is generally the privilege earned after gaining that experience. But if this cadet SO did, then he definitely deserves a reverse high five at the next beach volleyball match, or maybe even a "like" on your cadet C-Scale infamous Facebook page.
And despite your best wishes about my character I would never belittle anyone in public, let alone in a professional workplace like a dispatch office. But what I can tell you is that just about EVERY B-Scale CX pilot I know is sick to death of hearing you brats moan about the hardships of the C-Scale package, about how hard it is to get by, how you're all running to EK (with your wondrous P2X hours!).... Even your hero McNugget here has the arrogance to whine about being unable to afford a family "when the time comes" due the inadequacies of the contract he asked for and accepted. No long term thinking. Just get into a shiny jet, screw over whom ever he can, undercut the market to a disgraceful level, now moan about the AOA not doing more to improve what he has undeniably created. Then get on pprune and parade some form of Machiavelli-peacock feathers about "unity" and "improving pay" all the while being a willing part of the entire problem.
So if you could (which you can't) fathom the frustration at your own existence in CX and what it means to guys who actually earned the job that paid appropriately then you'd understand why their fuses are potentially so short.
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A SCALE
Actually A scalers were given a letter drastically reducing pay..30% leave..overtime pay..productivity etc and the demand was sign in 11 days or be terminated...courtesy of CEO KT. The legal advice at the time advised to sign and fight which we did and 49 guys got crucified..illegally..which we paid to support and some of us paid through the CPU to further support when MG through a revote sold them out and gave the company all the rostering concessions we now suffer under.
Just so you know what we 'ALLOWED' to happen.
Just so you know what we 'ALLOWED' to happen.
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Kids this has been great fun but it's getting really tiresome now. ChinaBeached, if you know so much about CX then the quote that you yourself posted would give you a clue as to McNugget's position:
LEP means "Locally Employed Pilot", i.e. not an expatriate. The fact that LEPs are now in receipt of some degree of housing allowance happened for a variety of reasons but they were never likely, in all honesty, to receive the full expatriate allowance. If you work for a ME airline, I'd be curious to know if LEPs who work there receive a housing allowance or not - that's a genuine question by the way.
McNugget, there's many things that you can call CB but illiterate isn't one of them - obsessed, sanctimonious and smug maybe but not illiterate.
CB, hello again. Remember the advice I gave you on the Wannabe forum all those years ago? Clearly you haven't taken it but I honestly agree with McNugget - you should get some professional help to overcome your anger as I'd really not like to fly with you if you exhibit even a fraction the emotion that you pour forth on this forum in the flight deck. I actually mean that seriously, as one professional pilot to another. It's time to let this go...
STP
I (an LEP) want the best possible housing outcome for expats. It puts upward pressure on our terms, so it does involve me.
McNugget, there's many things that you can call CB but illiterate isn't one of them - obsessed, sanctimonious and smug maybe but not illiterate.
CB, hello again. Remember the advice I gave you on the Wannabe forum all those years ago? Clearly you haven't taken it but I honestly agree with McNugget - you should get some professional help to overcome your anger as I'd really not like to fly with you if you exhibit even a fraction the emotion that you pour forth on this forum in the flight deck. I actually mean that seriously, as one professional pilot to another. It's time to let this go...
STP
