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Joint statement from NC

Old 4th Aug 2014, 08:53
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Joint statement from NC

Can someone help me to understand the joint statement? What exactly have we achieved after the mediation? No wonder the DFO reckoned the mediator did a great job. He just bought the company another month with no pay rise and no CC.


Man, Our pay negotiation is taking longer than the middle east peace talks!
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 09:41
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Did you expect anything?

Yes! I fully expected the mediation would break down and then we could officially go into CC under the GFBFA !


From the AOA letter dated 25 July


"the GC has also decided that it must prepare for the possibility that Mediations and continued Negotiations fail to provide satisfactory Agreements on Pay and Rostering."




Huh!?
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 09:50
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Just had a chat to an AAOA Committee member who said the NC spent the five days talking about ROSTERING. No mention of pay in there at all.

Who's on this mysterious NC anyway...Two years with no payrise and your off on this rostering tangent.
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 10:24
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This is insanity!

The sooner we have a new AOA president accompanied by some new hawkish blood on the GC the better....

Curtain??

And I agree, this very clandestine NC seems to be operating totally to its own agenda if the above is true. Just what is the remit between the GC and the NC??

I expect 'secret squirrels' from the company, but not my elected representatives!
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We need an old crusty 747 captain leading the charge who doesn't give a shat about his job and cx.
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 11:26
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I fail to see what is stopping the GC from simply saying

"Negotiations have failed, after an exhaustive effort. Contract compliance starts now. Any crew member caught volunteering for G day duty for whatever the reason will be publicly shamed and blackballed."

See how fast the company gets back to the table.

Thats it.

Its simple.

No if's and's or buts. Just send out the statement.

By the way, burnt an extra 1.6 ton on approach yesterday due to my poor handling .. what did that cost you Swire?
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 12:01
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Good Faith left the building.

There is no more good faith. Saying so only helps them, not us.

It was tried. It failed.

It's simple. I can't see why we can't move on.

Tomorrow's goal.. to burn 2.0 tons off landing estimate @ TOD. Maybe even do a tire.

#armyofone.
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sydneyman...#9

That is spot on.
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 12:17
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TwoTigers

Grow up!

All that is currently required is that you don't answer the phone.

Being unprofessional is pathetic in least and encroaches on the dangerous.
What if you'd needed that 1.6T following a missed approach due to no fault of your own?
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 12:29
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Is it just my login or is it everyone that cannot get the hkaoa forums updated since 041500 hkt.

PPRuNe is great. But the forums are important and I fear there is some manipulation going on..... Surely it's not just me that wants to comment about today's email.
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You grow up Max Reheat. It's guys like you ruining this profession.

If I needed it? I already took 5 tons over CFP to screw them further. Its mine to burn.. Why aren't you gassing up and burning it? Perhaps you're management.


Answer my phone? It was a rostered flight. I turned up, gassed up, and was incredibly inefficient.

My not answering my phone doesn't stop gentleman such as yourself from working G's. Shaming and black listing does.

Thats the only solution.

Like I said, next step.. burning rubber..

Safety and efficiency will be compromised.
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 13:36
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16 July twotigers

Personally, I burnt 1.6 tonnes extra on the rice bowl heading home last week, so I could make my bus..
4 August twotigers

By the way, burnt an extra 1.6 ton on approach yesterday due to my poor handling ..
Is 1.6 tonnes (or is it ton?) a figure you've sort of made up because it sounds achievable somehow? I'm sure everyone would like to know how you achieve such consistency in your extra fuel burn. Oh, and how exactly do you plan to "do a tire"? Sounds to me like someone showing lots of PPRuNe bravado.

You have the nerve to accuse Max of ruining our profession when you cross the line by saying that safety will be compromised, presumably deliberately? In that war, you are indeed an 'army of one' because you can certainly count me, and I would hope the vast majority of professional pilots, out of that campaign. Shame on you.

STP
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Old 5th Aug 2014, 01:43
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Steady Jizz.

After debating the merits of entering Maximum Safety Strategy, the GC, after realizing the current group of 'pilots' don't know their FTL's from their RP's, decided on another course of action.

Recruitment and training are at the forefront of the new industrial weapon. Minimum Safety Strategy.

"Team" and "Jizzmonkey" don't have to be mutually exclusive terms. Join in!!
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So Jizz, you are saying that by saving the company money you will be a direct beneficiary of those savings? How does that work exactly?
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Let me answer that. The same way the Caring award works.
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Old 5th Aug 2014, 03:59
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Curtain

Hi Rod, yes why are we still waiting for your leadership?

TwoTigers - Your unproffesional ways are just that and will get you and maybe another into trouble oneday. While giving us a bad name. Perhaps you would consider toning down alittle please.

When the Taf's are stacking up take CPF and divert if needs be.

Clever and simple stratergies done in unison is all that is needed.

Its not the magnitude but rather the rate of change & renonance which tips the balance.

Only professionals are capable of synergy. Don't lower yourself to their level.
Never lose sight of who we are and the journey we took to get here.
First with the head then with the heart!
(Mix up that order at your & our Peril, team work and respect is required)

Sixth sense clearly demonstrates the AOA are wanting you to be in CC now already. It adds weight to the Mediation, and more so when it fails and they officially declare it.

Good luck.
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Old 5th Aug 2014, 10:11
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"Never lose sight of who we are and the journey we took to get here."

That has got to be about the funniest line I have ever seen on PPRuNe. What I once was, was a very competent aviator, doing an amazing job with friends and peers who just got the job done. All whom I know from days of old look back on those days with great affection. Who we were!

Who we are? Not even close to whom we once were in spirit, mentality or enthusiasm. That can't be undone!
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Old 5th Aug 2014, 11:58
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SYDNEYMAN

I suggest you read the latest weasel words from BEEBE: working on a G day is ALLOWED by the contract, not that I have ever done so. Get your facts right before you launch into a diatribe! And maybe the GC can provide stronger guidance for the weak-minded.
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Old 5th Aug 2014, 14:03
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It's simple.

For now, take CFP gas (adjusted for ZFW change) religiously just like the company wants--no more, no less. Operate prudently and by the book but don't look for helpful efficiency gains. If looking like below divert (most conservative figure) given delays and field conditions divert. Don't try to fudge things to make it or consider IFR if you are fairly certain of known ATC delays (which is usually the case).

If weather conditions given TAF require more then take more just like everyone always does.

DO check for messages when required then go comm out.

DON'T answer the phone if you don't have to.

DON'T work G days under any circumstances.

DON'T be helpful.

IF for whatever reason (especially a roster change) you are in a "gray" area for fatigue (i.e. on the edge of being too tired but maybe sorta could fly) make the conservative call, fill out an ASR-F and don't fly.

And wait for further escalation if it happens.

No company has ever become or stayed profitable with a bunch of stooges on board; conversely judgment and initiative requires adequate compensation and maintenance of same. If they want to pay for stooges they can have stooges.

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Cathy need to close down and start again. A good dose of reality is needed in the ranks
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