Scabbing the SP Line
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Scabbing the SP Line
The Workers on the S. P. line to strike sent out a call;
But Casey Jones, the engineer, he wouldn't strike at all;
His boiler it was leaking, and its drivers on the bum,
And his engine and its bearings, they were all out of plumb.
Casey Jones kept his junk pile running;
Casey Jones was working double time;
Casey Jones got a wooden medal,
For being good and faithful on the S. P. line.
The workers said to Casey: "Won't you help us win this strike?"
But Casey said: "Let me alone, you'd better take a hike."
Then some one put a bunch of railroad ties across the track,
And Casey hit the river bottom with an awful crack.
Casey Jones hit the river bottom;
Casey Jones broke his blessed spine;
Casey Jones was an Angelino,
He took a trip to heaven on the S. P. line.
When Casey Jones got up to heaven, to the Pearly Gate,
He said: "I'm Casey Jones, the guy that pulled the S. P. freight."
You're just the man," said Peter, "our musicians went on strike;
You can get a job a'scabbing any time you like."
Casey Jones got up to heaven;
Casey Jones was doing mighty fine;
Casey Jones went scabbing on the angels,
Just like he did to workers of the S. P. line.
They got together, and they said it wasn't fair,
For Casey Jones to go around a'scabbing everywhere.
The Angels' Union No. 23, they sure were there,
And they promptly fired Casey down the Golden Stairs.
Casey Jones went to Hell a'flying;
"Casey Jones," the Devil said, "Oh fine:
Casey Jones, get busy shovelling sulphur;
That's what you get for scabbing on the S. P. Line."
But Casey Jones, the engineer, he wouldn't strike at all;
His boiler it was leaking, and its drivers on the bum,
And his engine and its bearings, they were all out of plumb.
Casey Jones kept his junk pile running;
Casey Jones was working double time;
Casey Jones got a wooden medal,
For being good and faithful on the S. P. line.
The workers said to Casey: "Won't you help us win this strike?"
But Casey said: "Let me alone, you'd better take a hike."
Then some one put a bunch of railroad ties across the track,
And Casey hit the river bottom with an awful crack.
Casey Jones hit the river bottom;
Casey Jones broke his blessed spine;
Casey Jones was an Angelino,
He took a trip to heaven on the S. P. line.
When Casey Jones got up to heaven, to the Pearly Gate,
He said: "I'm Casey Jones, the guy that pulled the S. P. freight."
You're just the man," said Peter, "our musicians went on strike;
You can get a job a'scabbing any time you like."
Casey Jones got up to heaven;
Casey Jones was doing mighty fine;
Casey Jones went scabbing on the angels,
Just like he did to workers of the S. P. line.
They got together, and they said it wasn't fair,
For Casey Jones to go around a'scabbing everywhere.
The Angels' Union No. 23, they sure were there,
And they promptly fired Casey down the Golden Stairs.
Casey Jones went to Hell a'flying;
"Casey Jones," the Devil said, "Oh fine:
Casey Jones, get busy shovelling sulphur;
That's what you get for scabbing on the S. P. Line."
Benji,
If that's how you feel, then F@@@@@G Strike!!!
Strikers endure hardship and loss in support of their position. All they ask of others is not to intervene whilst they suffer in support of their cause.
What YOU are saying to others is " Take our hits for us, suffer while we go on status quo, give up a golden opertunity whilst we get promoted into our fallen workmates jobs".
ANY Cathay pilot who has taken an upgrade, or trained another into such a position since the 49ers were sacked is a SCAB and a HYPOCRITE!!!
Don"t like my langadge? Then stop using it against others YOU have put in an unwinnable position!!!
If that's how you feel, then F@@@@@G Strike!!!
Strikers endure hardship and loss in support of their position. All they ask of others is not to intervene whilst they suffer in support of their cause.
What YOU are saying to others is " Take our hits for us, suffer while we go on status quo, give up a golden opertunity whilst we get promoted into our fallen workmates jobs".
ANY Cathay pilot who has taken an upgrade, or trained another into such a position since the 49ers were sacked is a SCAB and a HYPOCRITE!!!
Don"t like my langadge? Then stop using it against others YOU have put in an unwinnable position!!!
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Benji:
You're an imbecile - who is on strike at CX? No one.
So who is breaking any strike at CX? No one.
No strikebreakers = no scabs. Get that into your brain, mate.
The only problem at CX is that some daddy didn't spend Xmas at home, complained to the HKAOA and they screwed up.
You're an imbecile - who is on strike at CX? No one.
So who is breaking any strike at CX? No one.
No strikebreakers = no scabs. Get that into your brain, mate.
The only problem at CX is that some daddy didn't spend Xmas at home, complained to the HKAOA and they screwed up.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Alpha Leader, you don't need a strike to qualify as a SCAB -
you don't need a PHYSICAL picket line to cross, to qualify as a SCAB -
you don't even need to remember Benji's rendition of "Casey Jones", to remind you of what lengths a SCAB will resort to, to gain that LIFELONG monker.
Ask the SCABS from Ansett 1989 how it feels!
Or the Continental and Eastern SCABS.
Management, in EVERY company, is a transient position - a pilot's career and reputation is for LIFE!!
you don't need a PHYSICAL picket line to cross, to qualify as a SCAB -
you don't even need to remember Benji's rendition of "Casey Jones", to remind you of what lengths a SCAB will resort to, to gain that LIFELONG monker.
Ask the SCABS from Ansett 1989 how it feels!
Or the Continental and Eastern SCABS.
Management, in EVERY company, is a transient position - a pilot's career and reputation is for LIFE!!
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Kaptin M:
Here are the definitions of "scab" as quoted in Encarta:
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scab [skab ] noun (plural scabs)
1. crust over healing wound: a hard crust of dried blood, serum, or pus, that forms over a wound during healing
2. strikebreaker: somebody who continues to work during a strike, or who does a striker's job during a strike (disapproving)
3. BOTANY plant disease causing crusty spots: a fungal plant disease causing crusty spots on the affected parts
4. VETERINARY MEDICINE skin disease of sheep: a skin disease of sheep and other animals that resembles mange
5. dislikable person: somebody regarded as despicable or dislikable (slang insult)
6. BOTANY crusty spot on a plant: a crusty spot on a plant caused by a fungal disease
intransitive verb (past scabbed, past participle scabbed, present participle scab·bing, 3rd person present singular scabs)
1. become covered with scab: to become covered with a scab during healing
2. work during strike: to continue to work during a strike, or do a striker's job during a strike (disapproving)
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In union speak, it is rarely No. 5 above that is meant
Here are the definitions of "scab" as quoted in Encarta:
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scab [skab ] noun (plural scabs)
1. crust over healing wound: a hard crust of dried blood, serum, or pus, that forms over a wound during healing
2. strikebreaker: somebody who continues to work during a strike, or who does a striker's job during a strike (disapproving)
3. BOTANY plant disease causing crusty spots: a fungal plant disease causing crusty spots on the affected parts
4. VETERINARY MEDICINE skin disease of sheep: a skin disease of sheep and other animals that resembles mange
5. dislikable person: somebody regarded as despicable or dislikable (slang insult)
6. BOTANY crusty spot on a plant: a crusty spot on a plant caused by a fungal disease
intransitive verb (past scabbed, past participle scabbed, present participle scab·bing, 3rd person present singular scabs)
1. become covered with scab: to become covered with a scab during healing
2. work during strike: to continue to work during a strike, or do a striker's job during a strike (disapproving)
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In union speak, it is rarely No. 5 above that is meant
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
From The Concise Oxford Dictionary of current English:
scab
1.Dry rough incrustation formed over sore in healing; mange, itch, or similar skin-disease; fungous plant-disease causing scablike roughness.
2. (arch.) Mean low fellow.
3. Person who refuses to join strike or trade union or takes striker's place or breaks rules of trade union or group.
4. Hence ~bed.
5. (Of sore) form scab, heal over; act as scab.
scab
1.Dry rough incrustation formed over sore in healing; mange, itch, or similar skin-disease; fungous plant-disease causing scablike roughness.
2. (arch.) Mean low fellow.
3. Person who refuses to join strike or trade union or takes striker's place or breaks rules of trade union or group.
4. Hence ~bed.
5. (Of sore) form scab, heal over; act as scab.
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Kaptin M:
Sorry to be a stickler, but your recital of the Oxford dictionary is restricted to only nouns, whereas this thread is headed "scabbing", i.e. using the present participle of the intransitive verb, and there can be only one meaning in bengi25's use of it.
Sorry to be a stickler, but your recital of the Oxford dictionary is restricted to only nouns, whereas this thread is headed "scabbing", i.e. using the present participle of the intransitive verb, and there can be only one meaning in bengi25's use of it.
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There are no Ansett scabs...the AN and associated fellows resigned, there were replacements....no picket line existed. They did have a trade union. Continental and Eastern scabs are now union members.....why post a thread full of holes Kaptin M? 
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Alpha Leader and ironbutt, you guys are amusing. You are playing on semantics. AL has whittled the complexities of this dispute down to whether a person who defies the Ban should be described as a noun, or his actions as a verb. "He is scabbing", "Yes, but he is not a scab".
Go back and read your OWN definition of SCAB, the noun.
However, for your benefit, a person who is scabbing (v.), or who has scabbed(v.), is a SCAB.
Tin Ass, there ARE Ansett scabs from 1989 - you will find their names on a well-known website, or alternatively they are listed in a little black book with a yellow sp(l)ine.
The "Recruitment Ban" was published - full page - in Flight International and numerous daily tabloids.
"Continental and Eastern scabs are now union members" - but do you TRULY believe that their names and actions will EVER be forgotten, by those whom they dis-advantaged? Never!
C'mon IB, I'll bet even YOU can rattle off a couple of dozen of their names pretty effortlessly. Don't ever regret that you did NOT join them.
If either of you would care to name a dictionary that says to qualify as a SCAB, one has to cross a picket line, I'd be happy to hear from you.
Go back and read your OWN definition of SCAB, the noun.
However, for your benefit, a person who is scabbing (v.), or who has scabbed(v.), is a SCAB.
Tin Ass, there ARE Ansett scabs from 1989 - you will find their names on a well-known website, or alternatively they are listed in a little black book with a yellow sp(l)ine.
The "Recruitment Ban" was published - full page - in Flight International and numerous daily tabloids.
"Continental and Eastern scabs are now union members" - but do you TRULY believe that their names and actions will EVER be forgotten, by those whom they dis-advantaged? Never!
C'mon IB, I'll bet even YOU can rattle off a couple of dozen of their names pretty effortlessly. Don't ever regret that you did NOT join them.
If either of you would care to name a dictionary that says to qualify as a SCAB, one has to cross a picket line, I'd be happy to hear from you.
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Kaptin M:
I'm glad you find this amusing, but I'm not playing on semantics. The reason I whittled it down to the verb "to scab" was that in your own previous posting of definitions, you implied that "scab" did not necessarily mean a strikebreaker.
The whole point in this is that the term "scab" is totally unwarranted in the CX dispute, because there is no strike to break.
The use of "scab" is pure spin, and the HKAOA (and its various members) would far rather use their spin energy on trying to get a coherent message out as to what, precisely, their grievances are that make it OK for their own members to accept upgrades at the expense of fired colleagues, but not OK for newcomers to join the company.
This is a straightforward question, and it has been asked in this forum so many times, yet there has been no straightforward answer.
I'm glad you find this amusing, but I'm not playing on semantics. The reason I whittled it down to the verb "to scab" was that in your own previous posting of definitions, you implied that "scab" did not necessarily mean a strikebreaker.
The whole point in this is that the term "scab" is totally unwarranted in the CX dispute, because there is no strike to break.
The use of "scab" is pure spin, and the HKAOA (and its various members) would far rather use their spin energy on trying to get a coherent message out as to what, precisely, their grievances are that make it OK for their own members to accept upgrades at the expense of fired colleagues, but not OK for newcomers to join the company.
This is a straightforward question, and it has been asked in this forum so many times, yet there has been no straightforward answer.
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DFO letter to the HKAOA 16th November 2001
The only person to use the word "Scab" in this whole sorry dispute is Captain Barley.
Captain Barley wrote to the HKAOA on 16th November 2001, in a letter headed "Industrial action".
He uses the word "Scab" three times and the final time is in this passage.
A "scab" label will have long lasting repercussions for the individuals concerned.
So, there you have it, straight from the horses mouth.
At no time has the HKAOA used the term Scab and certainly never will.
There is a recruitment ban. Anyone joining after Oct 9th 2001 is blacklisted. The ban is an IFALPA ban.
Captain Barley wrote to the HKAOA on 16th November 2001, in a letter headed "Industrial action".
He uses the word "Scab" three times and the final time is in this passage.
A "scab" label will have long lasting repercussions for the individuals concerned.
So, there you have it, straight from the horses mouth.
At no time has the HKAOA used the term Scab and certainly never will.
There is a recruitment ban. Anyone joining after Oct 9th 2001 is blacklisted. The ban is an IFALPA ban.
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the aoa may not 'offically' use the title scab... but there is no doubt some of the members do! (i do accept that barley used it 1st...and that he meant to pi$$ the aoa off when he said it)
they are no longer 'new-joiners' and not 'offically' scabs.... in fact the new term is "replacement worker"
replacing who exactly?
the ones already at cx interviewed and were offered jobs before the 49ers were sacked..... so they didn't replace anybody; they were coming anyway.
no s/o's were amongst the 49ers... so no replacements there.
pilots taking upgrades filled slots but actually didn't replace anybody......... and now
cx have 235 more pilots coming in the next 18 months; perhaps they are the replacements? but after the 1st 53.... who are the replacing again???
having rewritten the definition of scab... someone will surely need to search the thesaurus for a new term of endearment come jan 03.
if all of this is doing your head in...welcome to the cloak and dagger world of cathay.
they are no longer 'new-joiners' and not 'offically' scabs.... in fact the new term is "replacement worker"
replacing who exactly?
the ones already at cx interviewed and were offered jobs before the 49ers were sacked..... so they didn't replace anybody; they were coming anyway.
no s/o's were amongst the 49ers... so no replacements there.
pilots taking upgrades filled slots but actually didn't replace anybody......... and now
cx have 235 more pilots coming in the next 18 months; perhaps they are the replacements? but after the 1st 53.... who are the replacing again???
having rewritten the definition of scab... someone will surely need to search the thesaurus for a new term of endearment come jan 03.
if all of this is doing your head in...welcome to the cloak and dagger world of cathay.
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All this semantic stuff about 'scab, scabbing' etc is totally irrelevant. If an individual determines that, on the balance of probabilities, they are better to join now than wait out this ludicrous ban then so be it. I have seen many posts warning new joiners to be careful whom they 'dob in', and I agree with that sentiment. But I also caution anyone who makes unsolicited late night calls, or is a bit lose with their texta pen, or is overtly abnoxious to be doubly careful. And by the by, given the disgusting content of Bengi's posts, could he be a management person winding us up? Funnier things have happened.
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Seen the book Kaptin...had it waved in my face and listened to the rubbish over and over again for 4 years....the only thing that stopped whining when the fuel switches were cut on our flights were the engines ...the '89-ers never ceased...(not fair couple of them did get over it and on with life)....but by DEFINITION they did RESIGN...lemmings day as one bloke here used to put it...how do the continental scabs feel....pretty good probably, they all have their tidy 'lil alpo pins on their lapel now, and their b-777 left seat...and laughing......
