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Old 6th Jun 2016, 03:54
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Applied about a month ago for NTR F/O, still nothing from them, 1700ish hrs with some 400hr Midsize Jet...

Anything heavier 10000kg? Like atr/dash?
Seems to me that this might weight a bit more than jet time for HKE, besides my TT maybe is a bit low.
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Old 21st Jun 2016, 15:46
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Applied last week and got an email from Recruitment Team 5 days after application was sent for Skype English test /Interview; 2800TT/500PIC on light Jet/based in BKK for 6 years extensive flight exp in South East Asia.

I'd be happy to hear from you all that got interviewed recently for any tips/trick I should expect..
much appreciate any input,
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Old 27th Jun 2016, 13:41
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Hi Guys, I have also been invited for an interview with HKE in August. Any advise/info?
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Old 28th Jun 2016, 13:34
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Hi Guys,

Would anyone like to share their experience at the interview with HKE?
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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 03:24
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skype interview

I would appreciate it if someone could post what to expect for skype Engish interview. Thanks in advance!
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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 16:30
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well the biggest hurdle of moving to HKG is always the accommodation cost
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 00:42
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Originally Posted by ryotan16
I would appreciate it if someone could post what to expect for skype Engish interview. Thanks in advance!
Expect somone testing your capacity remeber things.. It's easy, about 15min.

They ask you phrases and you need to talk what you heard with your own words.

The women who does the test speaks real fast, and she doesnt repeat the setence.

Audio quality is good, accent is good (australian probabbly).
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 01:06
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Any info about the 1 day interview ?
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Old 5th Jul 2016, 00:05
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Regarding the accommodation costs that Stallone mentioned... that's the fly in the ointment.

I'm assuming an HKE F/O will make about 80k per month.

A decent flat (IMHO) for a family of four will cost about 40-50k per month unless you want to make your family suffer and end up divorced.

Do the maths. It's not THAT difficult. You're disposal income will be F all, and you'll NEVER get on the property ladder here.
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Old 6th Jul 2016, 04:19
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Hello,

Can you guys share the latest feedbacks for the interview & simcheck please?
I am going at the end of the month.

Thanks a lot
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Old 8th Jul 2016, 03:10
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>Tazmaniac
Thanks! Is there anyway we can prepare for it or there is not much we can do about it?
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Old 8th Jul 2016, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Flying Clog
Regarding the accommodation costs that Stallone mentioned... that's the fly in the ointment.

I'm assuming an HKE F/O will make about 80k per month.

A decent flat (IMHO) for a family of four will cost about 40-50k per month unless you want to make your family suffer and end up divorced.

Do the maths. It's not THAT difficult. You're disposal income will be F all, and you'll NEVER get on the property ladder here.
If you're coming to HK expecting to live in the same sort of space as you are back home, ie 2-3000 sqft house, it's sure gonna cost more than $50000 a month....

??? Parc Palais - ???? STATELYHOME

??? King's Park Villa - ???? STATELYHOME

These example apartment cost $30000 a month, got 3 bedrooms including an ensuite, these are considered to be luxury accommodation by local standard, lots of Brits live around that area when HK was still a colony....

Jobs with gigantic housing allowance are rare in HK these days unless you are a top exec with global corporations. You just gotta be realistic about things in HK, properties here are the most expensive in the world, groceries are bloody expensive, if you are only willing to hang around the old expat areas like mid levels, happy valley, pok fu lam etc on the Island, it's gonna be tough with $80000 a month, but just a reminder, the mean household income in HK is less than $30000 a month
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Old 12th Jul 2016, 13:58
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Originally Posted by ryotan16
>Tazmaniac
Thanks! Is there anyway we can prepare for it or there is not much we can do about it?
IMHO there's nothing you can study to do the test, if you have a icao level 4/5 you will pass without problems.
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Old 13th Jul 2016, 18:46
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Originally Posted by Tazmaniac
IMHO there's nothing you can study to do the test, if you have a icao level 4/5 you will pass without problems.
@Tazmaniac
Thanks. Looks like I have passed. Waiting for the interview date. How did your interview go?
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 10:30
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A decent flat (IMHO) for a family of four will cost about 40-50k per month unless you want to make your family suffer and end up divorced.
Not that much IMO. In Hong Kong the sky's the limit, but I would say a decent, modern, fairly well-located 3-bed apartment could be had for less than 30k per month.

Obviously you're not going to get a house with 1000s of square feet on that salary, but it's Hong Kong.

In reality 80,000HKD is a very good salary in HK, and is far above the average local salary. As a point of reference... local shop workers/ waiters earn around 40HKD per hour (8000 for a 200 hour month), most new graduate jobs offer 9.5 to 12k per month. Mid-level managers earn around 20 to 25k per month.
Even for expats, the number earning over 80k will be a very small percentage of the overall total. And in no industry (except for very senior executives) does anyone offer generous expat benefits in HK anymore.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 12:20
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Yes, that's all good and well. But it's more about what your expectations are. Your quality of life in HK will be very restricted by your income compared with what you are used to in your home country, and trust me - the novelty of Asia will soon wear off if you're broke. And if it's OK, getting by is one thing. Saving for your future is another.

As just wait until marriage and kids come along. You aren't going to be able to live as an expat. Even the much better terms and conditions on the Dragonair 'Standard Contract' isn't enough when that happens. Pilots are leaving when the kids get to school age. You simply can't afford it - you will be going backwards.

Hong Kong is very, very expensive if you want to maintain some semblance of the life you had at home. And with a wife who is slowly going mad cooped up in a tiny apartment, you will find out why Hong Kong has a reputation as a marriage graveyard. This deal is a short term 'getting experience' job and not for the long term.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 15:23
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Listen to Dan. The cost of living in HK is at LEAST 3X what it is a normal country. In other words, a salary of 9K USD is the same as 3K USD in the USA. You will NOT have a good life here on the salary they are paying. You WILL end up bitter and unhappy. Be warned.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 04:10
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I think the big point is that you would not be able to save beyond employer contribution to MPF. I'd argue the same for 3k / month in the US, ironically I've had both salaries, 3k / month in Phoenix and 75k / month in Hong Kong. The other issue you'll have in HK is inflation, it's a real cost. In the US it seems it is less so. Example: Frozen Tyson Chicken Breasts when I arrive were around HK135 (9 years ago) and now they are around HK180.

For 25-30k / month you can get a decent (3bd, 2ba, + maids room) new build in Tung Chung. Your best bet is to meet a few agents and ask them to call you when they sell a unit from the developer to see if the new owner wants to rent it. With negotiating you should be able to take 1k off a month the asking price.

For HK Island, 25-30k will get you a shoebox of dubious quality. My budget was 30-35k. I found a perfect spot for 40k on Littlyton Road, but she would not negotiate, and it had no view. I found new & tiny with amenities in Kennedy Town, where I ultimately ended up (714 sq ft, 3bd, 2ba, buiding, pool, gym, near MTR). I also found large and really old. For 30k I found a 1400 sq ft in Sai Yin Pun, but the baths and kitchen were so old, the pipes to feed the faucets came through the window to the taps. I also found 1100 sq ft, renovated bathrooms, but very old kitchen, for 32k, in Sai Yin Pun. Wife wanted amenities so we went to Kennedy Town.

For families, unless you are receiving assistance for schooling forget it. The debenture alone will bankrupt you. We just had triplet daughters (4 weeks old now) and will likely move out of HK when they are 2. The cost of a school ranges from 8k to 14k / month, and schools seek donations on top of that. Both my wife and I work, but we would have been here 11 years by that point and it would be time to pass the torch to someone else.

80k & Single? Hell yeah--until you marry and have children.
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 17:57
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a quick summary of HK housing and life

This how $10k hkd 1000sqft apartment look like .. ( a SMART CAR might be bigger)



spend a little more..$20K.. luxury shoebox..


BUT of course you can save a lot more by sharing your apartment with buddy pilots..

you thought of living like this...


but you end up with this.



Life after flight/slaving (hobby for some)...




Newly built Hong Kong pilot's housing complex..




just in case if you got kids... (i feels sorry for them)


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Old 25th Jul 2016, 14:42
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Housing Allowance

Does Hong Kong Express give any housing allowance?

I cant seem to find that particular answer, i might have missed it.
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