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Old 13th May 2014, 04:56
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For members of the AOA, there's an email from them this morning with guidance.

How about this time, the details of AOA correspondence not be posted here!

If the non-members want to know what's going on, then they can join.
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Old 13th May 2014, 11:18
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Tony,

Your posts can be from one of six people if you fly for CX. The logical outcome is…..the shortlist either ends up having no-one on it or just you!

One of those outcomes will be rather amusing!
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Old 13th May 2014, 12:04
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Trouble with tonytylor is that he thinks he's clever ..just like when his alias was Yaeger, the reality is that he's just a juvenile illiterate tw@t
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Old 13th May 2014, 13:51
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Oh, and by the way tony....try to learn the difference between Bullocks and Bollocks....A Bullock is a castrated or young Male Bovine Animal....Bollocks is what you seem to spout every time you visit this forum
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Old 13th May 2014, 16:11
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Does the survey say do you want a pay rise? Nah thought not.

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Old 13th May 2014, 23:29
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Yes it does. It asks you if you think you are paid enough.
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Old 14th May 2014, 01:37
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One question out of how many? Almost a hundred. Seems almost cursory.
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Old 14th May 2014, 06:15
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A lot more questions like that one.! 👍
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Old 14th May 2014, 08:12
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Dear TonyT:

I have just finished doing your survey (logged out at 1603 HKT, in case you want to use that info, together with my IP address to confirm my identity), and I have to say that it was great. I love my job, and really, really love Cathay.

Thank you so much.
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Old 14th May 2014, 10:01
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If the survey had been commissioned by the board of directors and was sent directly to them unedited, then I could see some value in doing it. But from the managers asking for a scorecard on them, with the ability of unlimited spin on the results and giving insight into what if anything we are happy with, in my own time, during a period of negotiations....
No thanks.
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Old 14th May 2014, 11:38
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The survey was written by a 747 sim instructor about 6 months ago.
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Old 14th May 2014, 12:09
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Just as long as we are happy we can find things in the manuals.... How many variations of that question were there?
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Old 14th May 2014, 23:15
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There are two questions on our manuals
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Old 15th May 2014, 00:27
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We no longer have manuals (except in the aircraft).
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Old 31st May 2014, 16:01
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Survey extension

I see from the latest postings that the survey deadline has Been extended
No real surprise there, obviously not enough pilots have completed the survey so they will give you more time together, with an assurance from the fleet office that as "with any survey, privacy and confidentially are very important."
Note that privacy is important but not guaranteed, If privacy is that important why give an identifying number for each crew member ?
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Old 1st Jun 2014, 01:32
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Why do you care about the privacy so much?

I would put my name on my survey if I had to. Grow a pair!

They have asked a bunch of questions and I answered them honestly. If they don't want to hear the truth then don't ask the questions. Simple really.

Most of my honest replies tended to be on the left side of the survey.
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Old 1st Jun 2014, 04:28
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Other control questions... "Are you happy with your career choice" or "Are you happy in your job"...... Of course we are, otherwise we wouldn't do it. So, as most of us will agree with that basic all encompassing question.... the spin will be " Pilots are happy"...........
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Old 1st Jun 2014, 08:10
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I think the only answers that are not in the left-most row (strongly disagree) are the answers to the 2-3 control questions used to make sure the survey was actually being read (such as "Are the manuals available to you? Are the manuals updated?") that obviously have nothing to do with the rest of the survey. These control questions are not even subjective, so the answers have to be "agree" or "strongly agree."
Really? Are the manuals really "Available" to you? They are mostly electronic, I never received my company manual reading device, did you?

And are they updated? Some of our manuals still show tail numbers that have been parked. Many aircraft fly around with old manuals until someone gets to update them through HKG. That would not fly in many first world regulatory environments.

I think we are lucky that we are not ramp checked with a manual audit from these countries, otherwise we might have some explaining to do.
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Old 1st Jun 2014, 13:40
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The reason Cathay wants you to do this survey is nothing to do with picking out individuals and crucifying them later or alternatively, that they've done a 180 degree turn from all past behavior and suddenly care what you think.

If you have a look at what is going on in the data analysis field the big rage now is all about metadata and what you an derive from that. ie Think Snowden and the now not so secret NSA program. The unique password is not about your individual identity. It is about which group you are in. It tells them whether you are based, HK on expat conditions, HK on local conditions etc. they can then derive what each group cares about in relation to the other groups and apply the findings to their well worn divide and conquer strategy. That is why you should not do this survey. As others have said, there is no coincidence this is all happening halfway through these conveniently long negotiations.
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