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Seems like a real victory.
Shall we read over the rubbish spouted by the AOA from around the time they vetoed the CC vote?
Besides, are we not heading towards an American-esque hourly pay system? Of course, legacy carriers from around the world have had such high regard for their US counterparts' conditions and contracts, haven't they. I'm sure KLM, Lufthansa and British Airways pilot unions are working on theirs. Why wouldn't we want to embrace such a system?
All other professionals are paid by the hour, aren't they?
Oh, wait...
Shall we read over the rubbish spouted by the AOA from around the time they vetoed the CC vote?
Besides, are we not heading towards an American-esque hourly pay system? Of course, legacy carriers from around the world have had such high regard for their US counterparts' conditions and contracts, haven't they. I'm sure KLM, Lufthansa and British Airways pilot unions are working on theirs. Why wouldn't we want to embrace such a system?
All other professionals are paid by the hour, aren't they?
Oh, wait...
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From: HK
Marand I agree with
However definitely NOT
That is managements dream. So be careful what you hope for and the demand by some for "credit" for this that and the other, will end up biting us. As the company would love to have NO basic salary and everything on HDP. Which is the way some people want us to go is just playing into their hands.
BASIC salary needs to be increased!
Take what you can! The second round has always been worse. The devil will be in the detail.
I'm hoping for more hdp
BASIC salary needs to be increased!
Last edited by iceman50; 29th April 2014 at 10:43. Reason: spilling
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From: on thin ice
Etops,
KLM, LH, and BA are European (obv) companies and, therefore, are tied to national pension schemes, wheras, the US companies, in addition to the hefty hourly duty pay, have a private pension system. Apples and oranges mate. No EU carrier can or would apply a COMPLETE US type system. That said, my old EU company did have duty and trip rigs in place to guarantee minimum hours paid per day or trip.
Without going into the throngs of which is better, or worse, they are simpy--different.
I agree with you that implementing a COMPLETE US system at CX is not the way to go. However, some rules to protect rostered pay and to secure min pay per day, sector or trip would be beneficial.
Cheers,
Soda
KLM, LH, and BA are European (obv) companies and, therefore, are tied to national pension schemes, wheras, the US companies, in addition to the hefty hourly duty pay, have a private pension system. Apples and oranges mate. No EU carrier can or would apply a COMPLETE US type system. That said, my old EU company did have duty and trip rigs in place to guarantee minimum hours paid per day or trip.
Without going into the throngs of which is better, or worse, they are simpy--different.
I agree with you that implementing a COMPLETE US system at CX is not the way to go. However, some rules to protect rostered pay and to secure min pay per day, sector or trip would be beneficial.
Cheers,
Soda
Joined: Nov 2004
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From: London
2015 and on.... inflation
Be very careful what you agree to now... most pundits seem to believe that inflation will rear its ugly head from next year, so a 3 year decreasing deal must seem like a dream come true to the management negotiators.
maybe in 2016 when you're paying 14%+ for your mortgage and $50 for a can of beans the mists will clear in your addled (maybe too tired) brains and you'll grow a spine for the next round of 'negotiations'
... by the way how's the contract that penalises the Company for any change to the published roster coming along?
maybe in 2016 when you're paying 14%+ for your mortgage and $50 for a can of beans the mists will clear in your addled (maybe too tired) brains and you'll grow a spine for the next round of 'negotiations'
... by the way how's the contract that penalises the Company for any change to the published roster coming along?
Joined: Feb 2008
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From: Few place
Boys...
I agree with iceman, but vey optimistically cautious!! Would love not to live pay check to pay check!
This company will NEVER do the right thing, let alone keep your CoS inline with inflation.
In real terms, you have passed your highest career earnings. It IS backwards from here.
This is a wretched company in a wretched industry.
AoA to the rescue...yeah right...L day working FO's & Capts showed you what they are prepared to rescue. And it ain't the collective good.
Downhill, and accelerating, regrettably......
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From: az
Your numbers are wrong. It's known that a minimum of 4.5 % this year will happen, as that is what the rest of the staff received. However, the company knows they are a few years behind giving us raises, so they have increased this to a one time 10% rise. Additionally, each future year, the minimum pay rise is 4.5%, and if the CPI is greater, so will the pay increase. Period if agreement is 6 years. This is still a rubbish deal... 20% would be fair right off the bat, and 30% would begin to make amends for the lower life expectancy due to fatigue and scuzzy air quality.
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From: crewbag
Your numbers are wrong. It's known that a minimum of 4.5 % this year will happen, as that is what the rest of the staff received. However, the company knows they are a few years behind giving us raises, so they have increased this to a one time 10% rise. Additionally, each future year, the minimum pay rise is 4.5%, and if the CPI is greater, so will the pay increase.
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From: az
Get your lungs checked quad.... I'm pretty sure then you will demand a minimum of 30% right now. In addition to that, a return of green pages my be necessary, to allow families to escape the harsh pollutants in the air of HK. I'm pretty sure everyone will be going to the doctor to have their respiratory system checked if a prudent pay deal is not put forward by management very soon.
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From: az
Managers are breathing the same air, so naturally, they will understand the need to increase the pay commensurate with inflation and the rate of crap in the air in order to keep enough qualified pilots in the company. They also are taking in more than a 2k HKD bonus.
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From: Australia
You guys will never learn.
There's the have and the have nots. ( or something like that, I'm sure you get my drift )
We are not managers pulling the strings and things will never change until they can't fill seats and flights get cancelled.
Supply and demand.
Sad but true.
There's the have and the have nots. ( or something like that, I'm sure you get my drift )
We are not managers pulling the strings and things will never change until they can't fill seats and flights get cancelled.
Supply and demand.
Sad but true.
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From: Kowloon
I am surprised the company no roll out red carpets and make cheesy mug lids for the Most Caring Company award! Why noooo? 
Aren't we living in a make-believe company culture? They make, you believe!
"If you live a life of make-believe, your life isn't worth anything until you do something that does challenge your reality." Morgan Freeman
Aren't we living in a make-believe company culture? They make, you believe!
"If you live a life of make-believe, your life isn't worth anything until you do something that does challenge your reality." Morgan Freeman