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Erm, because if I don't fly due to sickness, I still get my base salary. If I don't fly due to rostering, I still get my base salary. If I don't fly due to every one of my aircraft going tech one month, I still get my base salary.
If I do fly, I get a tiny amount added on to the base salary. If I fly in to overtime, that rate increases.
Either way, I still get my base salary; which, as it happens, is the VAST majority of my monthly pay. Notwithstanding housing, which is, of course, a separate bag.
I'd have thought that was pretty obvious?
Hourly multipliers are nothing to do with our base salary. Rostering try to get us to work a certain amount to make us efficient recipients of our salary.
If I do fly, I get a tiny amount added on to the base salary. If I fly in to overtime, that rate increases.
Either way, I still get my base salary; which, as it happens, is the VAST majority of my monthly pay. Notwithstanding housing, which is, of course, a separate bag.
I'd have thought that was pretty obvious?
Hourly multipliers are nothing to do with our base salary. Rostering try to get us to work a certain amount to make us efficient recipients of our salary.
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Yes, be very careful about what you wish for.
Increases in HDP are a smoke screen.
You can show your bank manager your basic salary, because it comes in whether you do 10 hours or 100 hours. Hourly rates & EFP vary from month to month, so much harder to demonstrate to a bank manager when applying for finance.
I thought the CC motion late last year was about pay rises, not HDP.
Increases in HDP are a smoke screen.
You can show your bank manager your basic salary, because it comes in whether you do 10 hours or 100 hours. Hourly rates & EFP vary from month to month, so much harder to demonstrate to a bank manager when applying for finance.
I thought the CC motion late last year was about pay rises, not HDP.
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Precisely.
Anyone sensible would merely seek a base salary raise, and the HDP adjusted so that once again, doing 84 hours amounts to an additional 10%.
Unfortunately, some of the more hung-ho yee-haws amongst the GC seem to view United's pilot contract as some form of model to aspire to. What a hilarious proposition.
The US major carriers have hundreds of pages of work rules in order to facilitate their contract.
Our contract is tiny, and therefore our pay structure must be equally simple.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all up for rigs which protect us, like minimum duty credits, rostered credit protection, etc. That is entirely a side issue to pay. They don't require a change in pay structure. For us, such rigs will result in better rostering conditions, in terms of disruption and how we're used, but not about the money (but the credit would be there to at least provide some reward if we are being flogged).
For pilots at the American carriers, the rigs mean protecting their pay. If they don't fly, they don't get paid (minimum guarantee aside).
Anyone sensible would merely seek a base salary raise, and the HDP adjusted so that once again, doing 84 hours amounts to an additional 10%.
Unfortunately, some of the more hung-ho yee-haws amongst the GC seem to view United's pilot contract as some form of model to aspire to. What a hilarious proposition.
The US major carriers have hundreds of pages of work rules in order to facilitate their contract.
Our contract is tiny, and therefore our pay structure must be equally simple.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all up for rigs which protect us, like minimum duty credits, rostered credit protection, etc. That is entirely a side issue to pay. They don't require a change in pay structure. For us, such rigs will result in better rostering conditions, in terms of disruption and how we're used, but not about the money (but the credit would be there to at least provide some reward if we are being flogged).
For pilots at the American carriers, the rigs mean protecting their pay. If they don't fly, they don't get paid (minimum guarantee aside).
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If we want a significant raise, we'll need to take significant action.
It really is that simple. If we won't take significant action, we should probably take whatever crap offer is on the table.
It really is that simple. If we won't take significant action, we should probably take whatever crap offer is on the table.
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Time to see who are men and those who just think they are cause they wear pants....but secretly wear frilly pink undergarments.
Actions speak louder.....you want accept fill your boots.....me I think we are due for a shakeup around here and all those who have joined since the 49's can be introduced into how this company really works....see how many run in fear then.
Actions speak louder.....you want accept fill your boots.....me I think we are due for a shakeup around here and all those who have joined since the 49's can be introduced into how this company really works....see how many run in fear then.
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The last 'local' CEO was an unmitigated disaster. Why am I not surprised?
Sickness rules changed? (we won't mention the law in the base jurisdictions). Shareholders forking out for doctors' fees, and from my experience the medicos will be VERY generous with time off...
No A Days? Less window of opportunity to notify roster changes. Last minute panic for Crew Control... 'Sorry, cannot get there for 2 1/4 hours'. Then another hour to get the jet ready.
Yeah, knock yourselves out, CX.
By the way, how's that Paris base closure going?
Sickness rules changed? (we won't mention the law in the base jurisdictions). Shareholders forking out for doctors' fees, and from my experience the medicos will be VERY generous with time off...
No A Days? Less window of opportunity to notify roster changes. Last minute panic for Crew Control... 'Sorry, cannot get there for 2 1/4 hours'. Then another hour to get the jet ready.
Yeah, knock yourselves out, CX.
By the way, how's that Paris base closure going?
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I think Dr. Cox is going to become suddenly far busier than he has been in the past. 
Serously, CX....do you really think this will IMPROVE the situation? I went sick three times last year, each time for approx 2-3 days (and all legit I might add). Now, I will simply agitate with the Dr. for minimum 5-7...perhaps even 10 days. Most times that will be offered without question.
Keep squeezing the vice. Considering the breathtaking lack of 'good faith' just shown these past few months (base closures, A days, sick days, derisory pay offer, staff travel changes, etc), you will soon have a seething cauldron of flt ops personnel. You will reap what you sow, and frankly, most of us really don't care anymore.
Serously, CX....do you really think this will IMPROVE the situation? I went sick three times last year, each time for approx 2-3 days (and all legit I might add). Now, I will simply agitate with the Dr. for minimum 5-7...perhaps even 10 days. Most times that will be offered without question.
Keep squeezing the vice. Considering the breathtaking lack of 'good faith' just shown these past few months (base closures, A days, sick days, derisory pay offer, staff travel changes, etc), you will soon have a seething cauldron of flt ops personnel. You will reap what you sow, and frankly, most of us really don't care anymore.
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In 2010... The four main unions representing pilots and flight attendants have written to Chief Executive Donald Tsang Yam-kuen to protest at Cathay Pacific being named one of Hong Kong's most caring companies.
Cathay Pacific has hit back at the letter, calling the criticisms unfounded and irresponsible and an unwarranted slight on the efforts of employees and the Hong Kong Council for Social Service, which gave it the award.
Now once again, this year... Cathay Pacific has been awarded the title of Hong Kong’s most attractive employer at the 2014 Randstad Award.
Come on, company is thinking for our best interest mates!
Cathay Pacific has hit back at the letter, calling the criticisms unfounded and irresponsible and an unwarranted slight on the efforts of employees and the Hong Kong Council for Social Service, which gave it the award.
Now once again, this year... Cathay Pacific has been awarded the title of Hong Kong’s most attractive employer at the 2014 Randstad Award.
Come on, company is thinking for our best interest mates!
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Listen Shenzhen airlines is offering a USD 3000 bonus to anyone who can get a pilot to sign up with them
I need to boost my measly pay somehow so could anyone who is thinking about going to work for them pm me and allow me to forward your application so I can claim my finders fee . Their new salary package really isn't too bad
Oh and Treybor I stopped caring many years ago
I need to boost my measly pay somehow so could anyone who is thinking about going to work for them pm me and allow me to forward your application so I can claim my finders fee . Their new salary package really isn't too bad
Oh and Treybor I stopped caring many years ago
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Does anyone else think it's very strange that right on the crux of pay and rostering negotiations (in good faith!), the company distracts us with A day cancellation, threat of doctors certificate requirements, and a base closure?
Personally, I think they are trying to pi$$ us of on purpose so we vote down any crappy negotiated pay and rostering deal so they can then implement whatever they want and thus save more money!
As far as the doctors certificate goes, bring it on. My GP has always tried to give me huge amounts of time of for minor ailments (he's not particularly fond of CX!). In the future I'll take him up on the offer. He knows best after all!
Personally, I think they are trying to pi$$ us of on purpose so we vote down any crappy negotiated pay and rostering deal so they can then implement whatever they want and thus save more money!
As far as the doctors certificate goes, bring it on. My GP has always tried to give me huge amounts of time of for minor ailments (he's not particularly fond of CX!). In the future I'll take him up on the offer. He knows best after all!
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That is the way the system works with an hourly guarantee as was mentioned. You get the guaranteed minimum regardless of how much you actually work. If you exceed it you get overtime. It is exactly the same just called something different. Most have a higher guarantee for reserve lines as well. For us the minimum would be 84 hours whether you actually flew 30 hours or right to 84.
That is the way the system works with an hourly guarantee as was mentioned. You get the guaranteed minimum regardless of how much you actually work. If you exceed it you get overtime. It is exactly the same just called something different. Most have a higher guarantee for reserve lines as well. For us the minimum would be 84 hours whether you actually flew 30 hours or right to 84.
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The CPI figures are grossly under estimated by the way. They don't take into account the cost of energy and basic food stuffs, the price of an Ipad is used, believe it or not, to calculate the figure. I would say annual inflation is more like 10%.
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