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@curtain rod
Finally
Someone gets it!!!
"This is an HKG company, no matter how the "crewing" companies are arranged: The HQ is in HKG..."
"Nobody needs a base. Nobody needs to commute. Those are preferences and choices"
"And the company has already figured out that the problems, costs and inflexibility caused by having pilots on bases does not outweigh the cost and advantages of having all pilots in HKG. Before taxes, before lawsuits, before FRMS, before labour laws applied, before foreign governments and courts had jurisdiction...sure, it all made sense. But, no more."
Exactly it's all become too hard. Love it when I talk to kiwi guys saying "I'm waiting for a base update"...it's not coming they are working away from bases!
After recent events, it would be foolish for anyone on a base to think their bases and basing companies won't be shut down completely at the drop of a hat. It's already happened, and now it's happening within a phony "basing company."
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Finally
Someone gets it!!!
"This is an HKG company, no matter how the "crewing" companies are arranged: The HQ is in HKG..."
"Nobody needs a base. Nobody needs to commute. Those are preferences and choices"
"And the company has already figured out that the problems, costs and inflexibility caused by having pilots on bases does not outweigh the cost and advantages of having all pilots in HKG. Before taxes, before lawsuits, before FRMS, before labour laws applied, before foreign governments and courts had jurisdiction...sure, it all made sense. But, no more."
Exactly it's all become too hard. Love it when I talk to kiwi guys saying "I'm waiting for a base update"...it's not coming they are working away from bases!
After recent events, it would be foolish for anyone on a base to think their bases and basing companies won't be shut down completely at the drop of a hat. It's already happened, and now it's happening within a phony "basing company."
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Rod,
I agree with most of what you write. However, I disagree with your take on bases. I actually think that bases save the company heaps of money, both in terms of expat allowances and divide & conquer industrial tactics. The problem is that the bases are so poorly managed and administrated. This company is stuck in the 1900s with respect to IT and navigating international laws. It is almost as if they expect the British Navy to get involved every time they get in the pooh with foreign governments. Colonialism, like slavery, is a difficult institution to let go.
I agree with most of what you write. However, I disagree with your take on bases. I actually think that bases save the company heaps of money, both in terms of expat allowances and divide & conquer industrial tactics. The problem is that the bases are so poorly managed and administrated. This company is stuck in the 1900s with respect to IT and navigating international laws. It is almost as if they expect the British Navy to get involved every time they get in the pooh with foreign governments. Colonialism, like slavery, is a difficult institution to let go.
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... But most guys on bases would be on expat terms, not HKPA. Not so for the MAN captains assuming they don't downgrade to FO in HKG. The real answers will be found after the US goes on-shore, or doesn't. That is where the most potential exists for new basing slots. If they don't materialize, we will have our answer wrt the future of bases.
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@canonball
Sorry my kids would be less concerned about me being without a job and standing up to a bully...be it a person or a corporation. There is no shame in sacking...far too many people lose their jobs to make a managers bonus these days to be about shame. If you believe being sacked is shameful.....you belong in the dinosaurs age mate.
Sorry my kids would be less concerned about me being without a job and standing up to a bully...be it a person or a corporation. There is no shame in sacking...far too many people lose their jobs to make a managers bonus these days to be about shame. If you believe being sacked is shameful.....you belong in the dinosaurs age mate.
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@anotherday,
U made that choice to commute....dont like it leave. But dont let your commute requirements dictate what the goal is here to make the company negotiate in good faith be it basings payrise AFTLs etc. your letting your PARTICULAR life circumstance of your CHOOSING be part of the argument with the company and directly undermines the pilots goal.
U made that choice to commute....dont like it leave. But dont let your commute requirements dictate what the goal is here to make the company negotiate in good faith be it basings payrise AFTLs etc. your letting your PARTICULAR life circumstance of your CHOOSING be part of the argument with the company and directly undermines the pilots goal.
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And to drag it back to topic this said f/o who worked on leave was probably thinking this will brown nose him thru command selection since he did cause a lot of head ache and drama with lawyers etc a year ago
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I don't think he needed to brown nose to anybody.
It was just a crapload of cash, from what I understand.
To be perfectly honest, I am on the fence about whether this person acted wrong or not.
If there's no CC, let people do what they want. No need to do the blame/shame game.
It was just a crapload of cash, from what I understand.
To be perfectly honest, I am on the fence about whether this person acted wrong or not.
If there's no CC, let people do what they want. No need to do the blame/shame game.
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One man army !
Today is another good day to do 100 % CC. There is a real shortage of crew today. Really good to see many SO's being organized in their CC mission.
RH deserves to have an exit like PH for creating this misery and despair by doing nothing and being the creator of HKPA.
RH deserves to have an exit like PH for creating this misery and despair by doing nothing and being the creator of HKPA.