Another degradation of our T&C
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Another degradation of our T&C
Rumour has it KA pilots have been offered priority 25 staff travel as part of their current wage negotiations.....
I suppose we will be offered 10 weeks leave!
I suppose we will be offered 10 weeks leave!
As someone said earlier, Tony Tyler is a poor, unwitty substitute for The Management. I suggest that we collectively ignore his contrived remarks. I mean, completely ignore him.
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All staff will be offered the same. Pri 25 on both airlines.
So do we now PX in J with KA?
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Will this apply to any airline Cx/Swire happen to purchase? What if they go out and buy, say, that basket case that is Qantas? Will they get staff travel based on DOJ Skippy? What about part owned airlines? AC? It sets a precedent for other employee groups wage negotiations.
Talking of precedents. Have a guess what DOJ will apply to a combined seniority list. I can see it now "Our IT can't handle 2 sets of DOJ depending on wether you're catching a flight to TPE or doing a 777 command upgrade"
Changes to staff travel.
Joker leave for whoever sooks enough.
Using inflation to give us annual (daily?) pay cuts.
Etc...
It is a constant attack on our CoS by stealth.
When PW handed over the GMA position he's advise to RH was don't just listen to the squeaky wheel. They've taken that advise on board. When they can't hear anything they're playing solitaire.
Time to make some noise methinks.
Talking of precedents. Have a guess what DOJ will apply to a combined seniority list. I can see it now "Our IT can't handle 2 sets of DOJ depending on wether you're catching a flight to TPE or doing a 777 command upgrade"
Changes to staff travel.
Joker leave for whoever sooks enough.
Using inflation to give us annual (daily?) pay cuts.
Etc...
It is a constant attack on our CoS by stealth.
When PW handed over the GMA position he's advise to RH was don't just listen to the squeaky wheel. They've taken that advise on board. When they can't hear anything they're playing solitaire.
Time to make some noise methinks.
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Rod,
Agreed mate!
Sad thing is that the majority of CX employees will just never wake up, sad but true.
Giving KA PRI 25 was right out of the Swire handbook, give them a small pay rise and give them a few token improvements that cost the company nothing.
We at CX will never learn. Can't even get the AOA to follow our wishes.
Agreed mate!
Sad thing is that the majority of CX employees will just never wake up, sad but true.
Giving KA PRI 25 was right out of the Swire handbook, give them a small pay rise and give them a few token improvements that cost the company nothing.
We at CX will never learn. Can't even get the AOA to follow our wishes.
Sloppy, you forgot Shenyang and Chongching 
Wanchai, any company that becomes wholly owned subsidiary of QF gets domestic travel based on DOJ and international based on rank/DOJ
Wanchai, any company that becomes wholly owned subsidiary of QF gets domestic travel based on DOJ and international based on rank/DOJ
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Little late to fight this gents. When the KA freighter guys came over as DEC's they kept their DOJ for staff travel, ect.. This fight should have happened then. Precedent set.
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Yes far too late to fight this. Lets, like normal, do absolutely nothing but whinge on this site and the AOA forums. Blame the GC, but do absolutely nothing as it is too late. Lets continue to work on G days, help out by acknowledging changes and talk the talk on the flight deck. Far too hard to stand up for our contract so lets all just accept that this is just another degradation to our conditions that we can do nothing about. Awesome!
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Well my friend, I see it as a reduction to my conditions of service. Housing, would also be a reduction, as would education if they decided to mess with those two policies. They could legally change these two items, should that mean any change should be accepted?
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My COS contains housing and education and annual FOC. It doesn't include staff travel. Big difference. Our staff travel concession is a gift, if you will. Housing is contractual
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Get over it ...
This is hopefully just another step towards combining seniority so that we can share in the expansion of the group. Later this year KA is going to run out of command candidates, and if I can dare to speak for my colleagues, I'd much rather throw open command opportunities to experienced FOs from within the group, than offering fast-track commands to new joiners.
I've just been flying with an FO who, in two years time, will probably get his command; his cadet course mates at CX probably have another 10 years in the RHS. I think that is the big issue which needs to be addressed.
Staff travel priority is small beer, but even if selfishness overrides fairness and good sense, KA are flying far more regional Asian destinations which should please all those weeping over this supposed slight.
I've just been flying with an FO who, in two years time, will probably get his command; his cadet course mates at CX probably have another 10 years in the RHS. I think that is the big issue which needs to be addressed.
Staff travel priority is small beer, but even if selfishness overrides fairness and good sense, KA are flying far more regional Asian destinations which should please all those weeping over this supposed slight.
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Mine too but it mentions something about in accordance with company policy. I am sorry to tell you but that means they can change company policy and it changes your CoS. Any degradation to our conditions should be fought, staff travel included. Yes I know it is not written in the actual CoS you signed, but like housing and education it is company policy!
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Riiight.
Staff travel priority is small beer, but even if selfishness overrides fairness and good sense, KA are flying far more regional Asian destinations which should please all those weeping over this supposed slight.
My all time favourite holiday destination though is Qinghai River: the bi-monthly rotting pig carcass surf carnival has to seen to be believed. The kids love it!
Imagine being able to access all that AND get a 'rapid command' in a KA A320, to experience all of these amazing places first hand?? Such a better option than visiting boring old Paris or Amsterdam. Total win/win for CX.
Imagine being able to access all that AND get a 'rapid command' in a KA A320, to experience all of these amazing places first hand?? Such a better option than visiting boring old Paris or Amsterdam. Total win/win for CX.
I think you need to worry a little more about the future....not the past.
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Plenty of LCC's to and from Hongkers these days, cheap cheap!
Who wants to be on standby anyway
especially with a family or commuting.
Get a confirmed seat, check in online, pick up your meal from Burger King on the way to the boarding gate...
Any delays/snags - airlines problem! No stress, no rush, hell, the cabin crew even smile when you board!!
Who wants to be on standby anyway
especially with a family or commuting.Get a confirmed seat, check in online, pick up your meal from Burger King on the way to the boarding gate...
Any delays/snags - airlines problem! No stress, no rush, hell, the cabin crew even smile when you board!!
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CX has cynically decided to remove our rank when applying for a JS....now I am 'mr' instead of 'Capt'. Ok, from now on I will only release J1 to cockpit crew. When you apply for a JS as a 'mr', email the Captain directly and let him know that you are cockpit crew and that you have applied for the JS. I will always check my emails first before I allocate to someone I don't know. There is obviously a direct attack against our conditions of service where it pertains to staff travel, and our only avenue of offense is to hit back where it hurts. No more JS to any manager or their family members, ever.