Firm grip of the non-essential
Yes that was a silly proceedure indeed but your memory is failing you, it was the early 90's and 1990 to be exact.
It's not just Aussies that make an easy thing hard, most large Airlines modify their own procedures as to how the current CP FTM think.
So you were one of those Euro heroes we had in KL, mmmmm I remember you guys weren't all Top Guns either....
Have you heard the term "people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
It's not just Aussies that make an easy thing hard, most large Airlines modify their own procedures as to how the current CP FTM think.
So you were one of those Euro heroes we had in KL, mmmmm I remember you guys weren't all Top Guns either....
Have you heard the term "people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
Yeah, we probably know each other then. There's 'modification of procedures' and there's 'rewriting the book to include procedures that are explicitly contrary to the manufacturers recommendations and good common sense, and which actually constitute a danger to flight'. If you're an Aussie and you judge ability by the standards of the morons who wrote that SOP - it's yourself who should avoid glass houses. But I'm sure you're happy in a NitPicker Company like CX.
By the way, regarding the RTOW millibar tolerance question - the simple answer is go TOGA. What's so bloody difficult about that.
Oh - the NitPicker won't like it I'm sure. He'd rather go to the back of the 2 hour queue again in JFK - inevitably canceling the flight.
Seriously, with people like this around its surprising CX ever gets one airborne.
By the way, regarding the RTOW millibar tolerance question - the simple answer is go TOGA. What's so bloody difficult about that.
Oh - the NitPicker won't like it I'm sure. He'd rather go to the back of the 2 hour queue again in JFK - inevitably canceling the flight.
Seriously, with people like this around its surprising CX ever gets one airborne.
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You know what happens when you assume.
I did say I remember that radio procedure and I also said it was silly, so surmise from that I didn't agree with it....
A lot of things we did in Oz in the 80's were just plain silly.
That's life.
We still have an Aviation record to be very proud of.
In 25 years I've had the privilege of flying with nearly all Nationalities and I'm happy to say we Aussies are more than capable.
I did say I remember that radio procedure and I also said it was silly, so surmise from that I didn't agree with it....
A lot of things we did in Oz in the 80's were just plain silly.
That's life.
We still have an Aviation record to be very proud of.
In 25 years I've had the privilege of flying with nearly all Nationalities and I'm happy to say we Aussies are more than capable.
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Originally Posted by nitpicker330
We still have an Aviation record to be very proud of.
But of all the continents out there, Oz has probably the least challenging weather.
And you don't really have the most busy airspaces either
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During a line check in a Metro years ago.. "Why shouldn't you start the engine in series?"..
"I don't know, the FCOM says the first start every Monday shall be in series"..
..."well a metro in the US cooked an engine during a series start so you shouldn't do it.."
..."ok, so the FCOM update will come out shortly then..?"
"I don't know, the FCOM says the first start every Monday shall be in series"..
..."well a metro in the US cooked an engine during a series start so you shouldn't do it.."
..."ok, so the FCOM update will come out shortly then..?"
Nippi2000------Australia has a lot busier airspace than you know.
MEL SYD route comes in at the 3rd busiest IN THE WORLD for Aircraft movements and 5th for pax numbers.
World's busiest passenger air routes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The wx? Well yes benign a lot of the time apart from Hugh Ts in summer and Cyclones blowing everything away!!
MEL SYD route comes in at the 3rd busiest IN THE WORLD for Aircraft movements and 5th for pax numbers.
World's busiest passenger air routes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The wx? Well yes benign a lot of the time apart from Hugh Ts in summer and Cyclones blowing everything away!!
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please don't destroy a great thread with mindless bickering please.
It's the only fun thing in my day, reading this thread. It's the best I have seen in ages.
Will post another story because I have a line check coming up in 2 weeks so this should be fun....
I think the best line check question from from a guy who said
"I really ask you a question.... Ok... What did you do last night?"
Beauty - mind you we have flown through a typhoon during the previous 2 days doing a Tpe split duty. A regular LOFT session for real
It's the only fun thing in my day, reading this thread. It's the best I have seen in ages.
Will post another story because I have a line check coming up in 2 weeks so this should be fun....
I think the best line check question from from a guy who said
"I really ask you a question.... Ok... What did you do last night?"
Beauty - mind you we have flown through a typhoon during the previous 2 days doing a Tpe split duty. A regular LOFT session for real
Whatever floats your boat cxorcist but remember that SYD MEL BNE only have around 2 runways available, unlike a lot of those really busy joints in Europe and the US with 4 or more to play with. So considering that we do ok....
Again, not CX, but an example of how a$$hole checkies can set the wrong tone thereby setting candidates up for failure.
A colleague was up for his first jet command check-to-line. The checkie was overheard in the crew room to say words to the effect that the candidate had no hope of passing.
As they taxied out the candidate set the SID departure track on the course bar. This happened to be one degree different from the runway bearing. The checkie wanted the runway bearing and made some considerable noise about SOP requiring it. Wronggg - he was relapsing to his former Anal Airlines policy (that same screwed-up mob who insisted on transmitting on one VHF and receiving on the other). Never mind that the SID was only recently published and the runway had not been corrected for variation in over 10 years.
Unfortunately the candidate argued the toss, and the rest was history.....Cost the poor bugger about a year before he got another crack at it. Second time around with a checkie who knew how to check, so candidate was now successful, of course.
In any organisation some failures are to be expected, but if one or two checkies are consistently failing people at a greater rate than average for the whole company, perhaps it is they who need to be replaced.
Some of course don't have the balls to actually fail candidates, but still delight in nit picking. Whether one should humour these characters probably depends on where they sit, and where you sit, in the organisation. Tough if you are a junior F/O - you probably have to suck it up. But as a senior Captain you should be able to tell someone being unduly silly to just 'get a grip' !
A colleague was up for his first jet command check-to-line. The checkie was overheard in the crew room to say words to the effect that the candidate had no hope of passing.
As they taxied out the candidate set the SID departure track on the course bar. This happened to be one degree different from the runway bearing. The checkie wanted the runway bearing and made some considerable noise about SOP requiring it. Wronggg - he was relapsing to his former Anal Airlines policy (that same screwed-up mob who insisted on transmitting on one VHF and receiving on the other). Never mind that the SID was only recently published and the runway had not been corrected for variation in over 10 years.
Unfortunately the candidate argued the toss, and the rest was history.....Cost the poor bugger about a year before he got another crack at it. Second time around with a checkie who knew how to check, so candidate was now successful, of course.
In any organisation some failures are to be expected, but if one or two checkies are consistently failing people at a greater rate than average for the whole company, perhaps it is they who need to be replaced.
Some of course don't have the balls to actually fail candidates, but still delight in nit picking. Whether one should humour these characters probably depends on where they sit, and where you sit, in the organisation. Tough if you are a junior F/O - you probably have to suck it up. But as a senior Captain you should be able to tell someone being unduly silly to just 'get a grip' !
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Lovely older BA skipper I flew with many years ago had it right. He had a line check with a checker who was renowned for two hour debriefs. As they were walking back into the crew building he turned to the check and said, "I usually get a 4 for appearance and a three for everything else. Goodnight."
And walked off to the car park.
I managed to do something similar many years later, so at least I learned something from the line check
And walked off to the car park.
I managed to do something similar many years later, so at least I learned something from the line check
Nitpicker, ?
Sydney - Melbourne?
There are probably more airline aircraft in the arrival and departure patterns at one USA major hub (eg DFW) than there are airborne in the whole of the country here.
And there are a dozen hubs just in the US alone that are equally as busy.
Sydney - Melbourne?
There are probably more airline aircraft in the arrival and departure patterns at one USA major hub (eg DFW) than there are airborne in the whole of the country here.
And there are a dozen hubs just in the US alone that are equally as busy.
Children, please pay attention. The subject here is Richard Cranium check pilots and their grip of the non essential, NOT who has the bigger whatever it is you are claiming is bigger.
Maybe they are checkers as well. An irrelevant argument about whose traffic level is greater on a PPRuNE thread about a totally different subject certainly fits the mould.
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Bananas and Skippers
Okay I'll get us back on track with one instance I remember as a new-joiner on the Jumbo...
The ever-so-appetizing fruit tray was left in the cockpit untouched by all. Skipper in the left seat, me in the right. Long-haul across the Pacific for nearly 4-hrs into my stint I casually reach for the (one-and-only) banana in the fruit tray. Skipper continues to mind his own business - clearly unimpressed - so I dig in and consume my tropical fruit. Upon throwing the peel into the bin, Skipper turns to me in all seriousness and says, "You do know you must always offer the last piece of any single-piece-fruit on the fruit tray to the most senior crewmember on board." (Obviously referring to himself). I literally thought he was joking and I let out a loud chuckle - until I realized he was serious. I had to ask if he was kidding and he said he was not. Not a word mentioned after that.
As a Skipper now nobody has ever offered me any fruit. I certainly feel his pain.
Aloha!
The ever-so-appetizing fruit tray was left in the cockpit untouched by all. Skipper in the left seat, me in the right. Long-haul across the Pacific for nearly 4-hrs into my stint I casually reach for the (one-and-only) banana in the fruit tray. Skipper continues to mind his own business - clearly unimpressed - so I dig in and consume my tropical fruit. Upon throwing the peel into the bin, Skipper turns to me in all seriousness and says, "You do know you must always offer the last piece of any single-piece-fruit on the fruit tray to the most senior crewmember on board." (Obviously referring to himself). I literally thought he was joking and I let out a loud chuckle - until I realized he was serious. I had to ask if he was kidding and he said he was not. Not a word mentioned after that.
As a Skipper now nobody has ever offered me any fruit. I certainly feel his pain.
Aloha!