USAGI
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: On the good side of town
Batten down the hatches boys 
, not looking good tomorrow, keep safe, grab a few and wait it out, watch some good footie on telly.
, not looking good tomorrow, keep safe, grab a few and wait it out, watch some good footie on telly.
Last edited by 320busdriver; 21st September 2013 at 11:22.
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: home
We are calling pilots on G days to sit in the Headland/Regal Hotel on Airport Reserve, at there own expense of course.
Expect calls from midnight to 6 am for volunteers.
Those on reserve will have the hotel paid for on a valid receipt provided to crew control. It will be paid to your salary within 3 months.
With fuel saving in mind, those on flying duty will hold ZSAM as an alternate with 25 minutes holding fuel, subject to payload.
We expect everyone to go beyond to help The CPG in these trying times.
To My Bonus
The Management
Expect calls from midnight to 6 am for volunteers.
Those on reserve will have the hotel paid for on a valid receipt provided to crew control. It will be paid to your salary within 3 months.
With fuel saving in mind, those on flying duty will hold ZSAM as an alternate with 25 minutes holding fuel, subject to payload.
We expect everyone to go beyond to help The CPG in these trying times.
To My Bonus
The Management
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Downunda
Safety before schedule
And just an additional point, Swires insist on safety before schedule, so there is a reminder in that to all pilots that your well being and the best interests of staff comes before all else, remember that caring is sharing.
'With responsibility comes accountability'
'With responsibility comes accountability'
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: crewbag
Yup. Just when they need you, you best show up just like they did for you in:
2001 when they fired, "for no reason", 51 of your collegues.
2008 when they threw all their second officers under a bus.
2009 when they wiped their ass with any intention of honoring housing 25.
2010 when they toasted C scale and the end of "the million dollar morons"
2011 when they finalized the goatfukk of the adaleide ip's
2013 when they finally saw the A/B/C scales tip backwards and their bonuses secured.
Make sure you're ready to do your part of the contract when the storm hits, going over and beyond any worded agreement just like you know they would for you when you find youself alone and in the grey shades of the judiciary.
2001 when they fired, "for no reason", 51 of your collegues.
2008 when they threw all their second officers under a bus.
2009 when they wiped their ass with any intention of honoring housing 25.
2010 when they toasted C scale and the end of "the million dollar morons"
2011 when they finalized the goatfukk of the adaleide ip's
2013 when they finally saw the A/B/C scales tip backwards and their bonuses secured.
Make sure you're ready to do your part of the contract when the storm hits, going over and beyond any worded agreement just like you know they would for you when you find youself alone and in the grey shades of the judiciary.
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: Australia
So, how bad did the wind get last night?
It's only 230/15 at 2230 z now ( 0630 HKT ) and not a single Aircraft to be seen around HKIA on Flight radar and no CX Aircraft airborne in Asia or Australia anywhere heading for HK yet. ( some long haul inbound )
Has the Met dept screwed up again? Too cautious?
It's only 230/15 at 2230 z now ( 0630 HKT ) and not a single Aircraft to be seen around HKIA on Flight radar and no CX Aircraft airborne in Asia or Australia anywhere heading for HK yet. ( some long haul inbound )
Has the Met dept screwed up again? Too cautious?
Last edited by nitpicker330; 22nd September 2013 at 22:52.
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From: HKG
Planning worthy of a hefty salary and bonus for the managers behind this stroke of genius.
Our first non cancelled flight due to leave after 11am and same for our first arrival. Has been fine on the METAR since 6am HKT and not above 30kts reported since 3am HKT.
Our first non cancelled flight due to leave after 11am and same for our first arrival. Has been fine on the METAR since 6am HKT and not above 30kts reported since 3am HKT.
Last edited by SloppyJoe; 23rd September 2013 at 01:53.
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From: Here ---> X
When they allow ops during typhoons, some guys complain about being sent to war for the sake of someone else's profits and bonuses, but when they are being overly cautious they get lashed too?
Pick a side, but stick to it...
A planned cancellation of ops can be less damaging than the myriad of ad hoc diversions and last minute flight cancellations entailed by a large storm.
And weather prediction isn't exactly an accurate science.
Pick a side, but stick to it...
A planned cancellation of ops can be less damaging than the myriad of ad hoc diversions and last minute flight cancellations entailed by a large storm.
And weather prediction isn't exactly an accurate science.
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From: 3.5 from TD
whose contracts are continuously disrespected and whose careers and lifestyles are continuously treated with contempt
I honor and fly my contract, and Cathay goes along with it.
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From: hong kong
BIT HARSH SLOPPY JOE
Sloppy Joe,
No one can predict with 100% certainty when a where and with what severity a typhoon will hit so some one has to make a call and put a plan into action.
Having experienced a fair few of these events in HKG I can assure you this was managed the best of all. Well rested Crew and aircraft were in position at outports ready to return to HKG. The airport was not over run with thousands of people going there for flights that were never leaving. Crew did not have to venture out in a T8 to the airport only to get stranded when public transport gets cancelled as well as their flights.
The other possibility was to have airplanes divert to ports over extended with no where to park, catering supplies exhausted, crew out of hours, airplanes in the wrong place, HKIA over run with angry exhausted passengers and only skeleton manpower at the airport, luggage soaked, water in the mec/cec and general mayhem. in the past the recovery operation has been chaotic and taken a seriously extended time to get back to normal ops.
The fact that the weather was not as poor as anticipated can hardly be attributed to poor planning by CX. At the end of the day the recovery is swift and normal scheduling will resume quickly.
No one can predict with 100% certainty when a where and with what severity a typhoon will hit so some one has to make a call and put a plan into action.
Having experienced a fair few of these events in HKG I can assure you this was managed the best of all. Well rested Crew and aircraft were in position at outports ready to return to HKG. The airport was not over run with thousands of people going there for flights that were never leaving. Crew did not have to venture out in a T8 to the airport only to get stranded when public transport gets cancelled as well as their flights.
The other possibility was to have airplanes divert to ports over extended with no where to park, catering supplies exhausted, crew out of hours, airplanes in the wrong place, HKIA over run with angry exhausted passengers and only skeleton manpower at the airport, luggage soaked, water in the mec/cec and general mayhem. in the past the recovery operation has been chaotic and taken a seriously extended time to get back to normal ops.
The fact that the weather was not as poor as anticipated can hardly be attributed to poor planning by CX. At the end of the day the recovery is swift and normal scheduling will resume quickly.
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From: MOON
Look I'm the first guy to suggest feeding our management into a wood chipper, but the last two days went really well.
Planning was good, and everybody knew what they were doing.
I just arrived home, and flew on both days. It was well handled.
Planning was good, and everybody knew what they were doing.
I just arrived home, and flew on both days. It was well handled.
Joined: Mar 2002
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From: Moved beyond
Yes, well said Cyril.
There was a time CX when would press on until the conditions got so bad that all the inbound aircraft ended up diverting in an uncontrolled mess. The end result was complete chaos that took a very long time to get back on track, with aircraft and crews all out of position. If I remember correctly, things came to a head in 1999 after Typhoon York, when it took about two weeks to get the schedule working again after the storm went through. Since then, CX has opted to shut the operation down much earlier and control the positioning of aircraft and crew. Unfortunately the forecasters don't always get it right, but that's hardly CX's fault.
There was a time CX when would press on until the conditions got so bad that all the inbound aircraft ended up diverting in an uncontrolled mess. The end result was complete chaos that took a very long time to get back on track, with aircraft and crews all out of position. If I remember correctly, things came to a head in 1999 after Typhoon York, when it took about two weeks to get the schedule working again after the storm went through. Since then, CX has opted to shut the operation down much earlier and control the positioning of aircraft and crew. Unfortunately the forecasters don't always get it right, but that's hardly CX's fault.
Last edited by BuzzBox; 24th September 2013 at 02:48.
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From: Asia
Cebu Pacific operating their normal schedule....ETA HKG 0740
It is better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing you were on the ground.
