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Old 14th Jun 2013, 11:41
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A350 maiden flight

BBC News - Airbus A350 makes maiden test flight
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Nice looking aircraft.

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There are probably countless technical analysts at airlines around the world all hoping that the A350's fuel burn & performance specs are as aesthetically pleasing as the aircraft itself. It is however, without question, a very good looking airplane.
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fuel burn & performance specs are as aesthetically pleasing as the
aircraft itself.
That would be an Airbus first.
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Parabellum,

Good point! The history is not so great, but it is a beautiful jet. Let's hope it performs as good as it looks. I'm looking forward to seeing the -1000 as well. If it is equally well proportioned, CX will have a pair of good looking planes to park next to those new -8Is.

PS - the new -8I (Ozark) is supposedly performing 1% better than the original brochure specs, and the price is reported to be slightly less than an A350-900.
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Cxorcist,

I am Boeing born, through and through, but the -8I is only a pipe dream I'm afraid. The pressure that Boeing is receiving from it's 777 customers to accelerate the 777x must be overwhelming. The 380 is likely here to stay, but I think everything else is going to be bigger and bigger twinjets.

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I think it is quite ugly to be honest. The nose gear is far too forward and the nose looks like its been punched in the face like it's bigger sister. The winglets look like they have curled up in the sunshine.
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Stop teasing the Airbus! They've obviously had enough and can't take it any more!! As safety is our priority, we need our Airbus crews to have no emotional hang ups when on duty.
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At least we will not have the following conversation.

"Dear captain I have bad news and some good news...the bad news is that our batteries are on fire! The good news is that they are buring in their titanium box...for now!"
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Frogman,
Only because Airbus learned just in time from Boeing's mistakes and changed them. Not because Airbus worked it out for themselves.
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Froggy,

FYI - the box is the last of three fixes to the battery system. They separated the cells and insulated them from one another and the potential for thermal expansion of one cell affecting the others. They also tightened the rates at which the batteries can charge or discharge electricity.

I think it is quite likely that the largest 787, the -10X, will become part of the CX fleet as an A330 replacement. It is much lighter weight than the A350-900 (same size) but has less range as well. It's envisioned to be 25% more efficient than the A330-300 on short and medium haul flights (up to about 10-11 hours).
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I think the 350 is pretty ugly too, it's lost the Airbus curves in the fuselage, it now has a straight and boring Boeing fuselage instead of the inverted banana of the 330. As was mentioned before the nose gear is too far forward and it's extended too much losing the distinctive front to back slope of the previous Airbus's. Those winglets too look out of place, so in short pretty disappointing for me, modern aircraft might be more efficient but they look pants.
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The Cathay A380's will look great!
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... Only if you like fat chicks!
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Nothing wrong with fat chicks!!! As long as you don't tell your friends.
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B787 vs A350?

Both are the epitome of current aerodynamic, engine efficiency and performance design for airliners.

One of them will always be better than the other, depending on each of the many missions that are envisaged for airline operations.

Vive la différence!
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Flex,

Correct me if I'm wrong (ha... not the 1st & certainly not the last time) but didn't Mr.S or former boss Mr.TT say that the 787 were too small for the CX operation?

And as per the latest 777 newsletter-
"CX are looking very seriously at the 777-X"

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787-10 is the same size as the A333 and A359.
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787-10 is the same size as the A333 and A359
Actually, I think it is a bit bigger than the 333 (80 seats-ish?).

The problem is that its range is significantly (significant in the CX route network sort of way) less than the 350's. So it might be a 333 replacement, but that's it.

Why buy 350s and 787s and 777s, when you can just have 350s and 777s?
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Four reasons:

1) it weighs a lot less than the A359 and therefore is much more efficient on short and medium haul flights

2) it is the same type rating as the 777 for pilots (3 day differences course)

3) CX already operates a different version of the GEnx. I imagine there is a significant parts commonality

4) there may come a time when CX decides that the A358/B789 size is something they want for new, smaller markets. The 789 is expected to be much lighter and therefore more efficient than the 358 with similar capacity and range.
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