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Isn't your question off
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And we're only better if bigger is better, which my wife assures me is true.
Apolooogies for any inappropriate self-effacing humour, maybe we should get back to thread about speeds...... HEIGHT, sorry, ALTITUDE; maybe we could free flow in a friendly way? Beer O'Clock Methinks
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And we're only better if bigger is better, which my wife assures me is true.
Apolooogies for any inappropriate self-effacing humour, maybe we should get back to thread about speeds...... HEIGHT, sorry, ALTITUDE; maybe we could free flow in a friendly way? Beer O'Clock Methinks
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New NTC states "SID speed control restrictions are still applicable unless specifically cancelled by ATC." So when ATC cancel speed restrictions on departure is that specific enough for the SID speed or is it only for the 250 below 10K'? Do they need to say cancel SID speed restrictions?
The NTC has introduced doubt into my thinking where there was none before by using the words "specifically cancelled".
The NTC has introduced doubt into my thinking where there was none before by using the words "specifically cancelled".
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No doubt, freighter flights are much preferred by those in the know...A well kept secret, apparently, that having no F/A's or pax to deal with, usually no terminals, and no cockpit door - meaning self-serve drinks and food whenever - awesome.
Most importantly, almost all of the most arrogant, overbearing and unpleasant douche bags are elsewhere, too, looking down upon the most pleasant and easy-going cockpit environments in the company - not to mention a multitude of extra challenges vs. the pax trips.
Most importantly, almost all of the most arrogant, overbearing and unpleasant douche bags are elsewhere, too, looking down upon the most pleasant and easy-going cockpit environments in the company - not to mention a multitude of extra challenges vs. the pax trips.
so a choice of seats or the bunk. And turbulence is no big deal.
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Its amazing what you can find in the online AIP and AICs.
ENR 1.7 ALTIMETER SETTING PROCEDUREShttp://www.hkatc.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/ENR/HK_ENR1.7.pdf
SID / STAR and Terminal Transition Route (TTR) Level Restrictionshttp://www.hkatc.gov.hk/HK_AIP/aic/AIC40-12.pdf
I understand your confusion with the latter. The instructions to controllers are just as vague as to how the cancellation should be phrased.
Some say, "Climb/descend unrestricted to ...."
Others say "Climb/descend now to ....."
Neither of which really fulfill the ICAO requirement to explicitly cancel the specific restriction (s).
And so the confusion continues......
If in any doubt, ask. We have about 1,700 flights a day through the Terminal Area now, so the chances of meeting someone above/below you are pretty good.
I can tell you now, descend early before MURRY without the restriction being specifically cancelled and you may be staring a Shenzhen departure or a Macau arrival in the eyes.
ENR 1.7 ALTIMETER SETTING PROCEDUREShttp://www.hkatc.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/ENR/HK_ENR1.7.pdf
SID / STAR and Terminal Transition Route (TTR) Level Restrictionshttp://www.hkatc.gov.hk/HK_AIP/aic/AIC40-12.pdf
I understand your confusion with the latter. The instructions to controllers are just as vague as to how the cancellation should be phrased.
Some say, "Climb/descend unrestricted to ...."
Others say "Climb/descend now to ....."
Neither of which really fulfill the ICAO requirement to explicitly cancel the specific restriction (s).
And so the confusion continues......
If in any doubt, ask. We have about 1,700 flights a day through the Terminal Area now, so the chances of meeting someone above/below you are pretty good.
I can tell you now, descend early before MURRY without the restriction being specifically cancelled and you may be staring a Shenzhen departure or a Macau arrival in the eyes.
Last edited by bekolblockage; 24th Apr 2013 at 14:28.
