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Sorry I don't mean to offend but just flew with a female FO.
3, 4, 5, 6 day patterns away from your very young kids.....seriously how do you do it??!!
Life experiences, life experiences. And then to have the audacity to say "you live in DB....you need to get out" are you for real?
3, 4, 5, 6 day patterns away from your very young kids.....seriously how do you do it??!!
Life experiences, life experiences. And then to have the audacity to say "you live in DB....you need to get out" are you for real?
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I guess you are trying to be somewhat sympathetic ? As a male is it easier to be away from one's family ? Pretty last century there Yammy...........
Love it when posts like these shine such a positive light on our profession !
Yama
I guess you are trying to be somewhat sympathetic ? As a male is it easier to be away from one's family ? Pretty last century there Yammy...........
Love it when posts like these shine such a positive light on our profession !
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Without wanting to take sides, anyone who's been here for more than about 5 years, and has any semblance of a memory will recall that in some of our more "industrial" times, most of the female pilots have shown infinitely more spine than a lot of the male pilots.
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Most of the female f/o s and the two female captains on the 744 are a perfumed breath of fresh air on the fleet. Easy day out with no aggression and egos unlike a lot of the other tossers on the fleet!!!
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Don't be so quick to jump all over Yamma. I think he/she has a very valid question. It is human/natural evolution that women are the ones taking care of the kid(s) and family, while men go out to the hunting/gathering. Men are "evolved" to be away from home for days at a time, while women are "evolved" to be at home almost all the time with the kids. This has been true for thousands of years. Just because in the last 40 or so years that women has become more visible and capable in the workforce, doesn't void the history of natural evolution. Until human kind have X thousands years of history of the reverse (where women are the hunter/gatherers, and men are the caregiver), I think it is appropriate to exam Yamma's question.
I am not saying the women must stay at home and bear children, it is perfectly okay for a woman to decide not to have kids and pursue a career. However, I believe Yamma's question relates to female pilots with kid(s) ... how can the female pilots with child(ren) overcome with their maternal instinct to be away from home for X days at a time.
Question for the young female cadets/SO/FO here: right now, most of you are probably in your mid/late-20's, and maybe contemplating about starting a family and have kids before mid/late-30's ... do you REALLY/HONESTLY see yourself as able to have BOTH (piloting career, and family/kids)? In reality, you can only choose one. Are you willing to sacrifice a potential family for a career (especially with "caring" company)? (Well, this question can also apply to male pilots, who are thinking of coming to HK to work for a caring company) Being a pilot or cabin crew is not family-friendly. (Being very stereotypical here: most of the cabin crew just see their job as a "temp" job and not a career - a chance to travel and see the world before settling down. Or even as a mean to an end - which is to find that CN or First Class passenger and get married off.)
Do not get me wrong. I am all for women equity in every aspect of life and society. In fact, I think women and men as just as good decision makers and leaders ... it all has to do with the individual, and not the individual's gender.
Sorry, if I offended anyone here. Definitely not my intention. I am looking at this subject from a psychology, human evolution point of view. If I did offend any, I sincerely apologize.
I am not saying the women must stay at home and bear children, it is perfectly okay for a woman to decide not to have kids and pursue a career. However, I believe Yamma's question relates to female pilots with kid(s) ... how can the female pilots with child(ren) overcome with their maternal instinct to be away from home for X days at a time.
Question for the young female cadets/SO/FO here: right now, most of you are probably in your mid/late-20's, and maybe contemplating about starting a family and have kids before mid/late-30's ... do you REALLY/HONESTLY see yourself as able to have BOTH (piloting career, and family/kids)? In reality, you can only choose one. Are you willing to sacrifice a potential family for a career (especially with "caring" company)? (Well, this question can also apply to male pilots, who are thinking of coming to HK to work for a caring company) Being a pilot or cabin crew is not family-friendly. (Being very stereotypical here: most of the cabin crew just see their job as a "temp" job and not a career - a chance to travel and see the world before settling down. Or even as a mean to an end - which is to find that CN or First Class passenger and get married off.)
Do not get me wrong. I am all for women equity in every aspect of life and society. In fact, I think women and men as just as good decision makers and leaders ... it all has to do with the individual, and not the individual's gender.
Sorry, if I offended anyone here. Definitely not my intention. I am looking at this subject from a psychology, human evolution point of view. If I did offend any, I sincerely apologize.
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Some of you guys make me sick.
Natural evolution? get with the times man!
It's no worse that the woman is gone from home 6 days, than the the guy is.
The ladies in CX are great pilots with passion for the profession, we're all in it together.
We've got women running countries, large public companies etc, don't you have a tv?
I feel embarrassed for what has been said here, hope the ladies realize this is a small minority with these opinions.
Natural evolution? get with the times man!
It's no worse that the woman is gone from home 6 days, than the the guy is.
The ladies in CX are great pilots with passion for the profession, we're all in it together.
We've got women running countries, large public companies etc, don't you have a tv?
I feel embarrassed for what has been said here, hope the ladies realize this is a small minority with these opinions.
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All was going well with your post, until
“…great pilots with passion for the profession, we're all in it together.”
We are all in what together?
Basically children raised by helpers.
Ultimately a lot of empty kitchens/homes.
All was going well with your post, until
“…great pilots with passion for the profession, we're all in it together.”
We are all in what together?
Basically children raised by helpers.
Ultimately a lot of empty kitchens/homes.
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Oasis, I'm not saying that female pilots are not capable and passionate about the profession. As I mentioned in my post, I am person's capabilities all has to do with the individual, and not the individual's gender. I do realize there are women ceo and political leaders. The question of this post is not whether woman are capable in their profession.
The question here is how come women pursue a family and pilot career at the same time. Of course, there are exceptions, but for the vast majority you can choose one or the other.
This is an anonymous forum, we can skip being so politically correct
The question here is how come women pursue a family and pilot career at the same time. Of course, there are exceptions, but for the vast majority you can choose one or the other.
This is an anonymous forum, we can skip being so politically correct
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If neither the mother nor the father can stay home to raise the kid(s), there should BE no kid(s).
Too many people now want to pursue a career AND have kids. If a woman cannot be fulfilled by being a mother, she should not BE a mother.
If both parents have to work because of MONEY issues, there is something wrong with their living/spending priorities.
Too many people now want to pursue a career AND have kids. If a woman cannot be fulfilled by being a mother, she should not BE a mother.
If both parents have to work because of MONEY issues, there is something wrong with their living/spending priorities.
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I would take any female Captain or any female FO every single time over many of the egomaniac Check Captains I have flown with. I have flow with nearly all women on my fleet & about half of the "Check Captains".
Like most sane people, I would take professionalism, friendliness & good CRM over finishing a pattern with someone who has me heading home & feeling like I should be looking for another job.
Like most sane people, I would take professionalism, friendliness & good CRM over finishing a pattern with someone who has me heading home & feeling like I should be looking for another job.
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I don't see any 'shame, shame, shame' in discussing the issue.
Apart from the 'flaps' comment, which was below the belt, other people on both sides make some valid comments.
It is an undeniable fact that our environment, especially at the front end, is male dominated, and 25 years ago, females infiltrating our male bastion were rare. These days less so, and whether it's good or bad depends on the individual.
As for mums with kids flying, and it's a generalization based on a small cross-section, but whether it's the maturity of having kids, or that in general they have to be just that more organized than us fathers who walk out the door and leave those problems for our wives, but I've found they are better to fly with than some of what others may term silly young girls, and for that matter some of the guys.
And as for time with the kids, yes there are many days away, but that I believe is well made up by periods of time with them back at home between patterns.
So as far as this myth goes - busted!
Apart from the 'flaps' comment, which was below the belt, other people on both sides make some valid comments.
It is an undeniable fact that our environment, especially at the front end, is male dominated, and 25 years ago, females infiltrating our male bastion were rare. These days less so, and whether it's good or bad depends on the individual.
As for mums with kids flying, and it's a generalization based on a small cross-section, but whether it's the maturity of having kids, or that in general they have to be just that more organized than us fathers who walk out the door and leave those problems for our wives, but I've found they are better to fly with than some of what others may term silly young girls, and for that matter some of the guys.
And as for time with the kids, yes there are many days away, but that I believe is well made up by periods of time with them back at home between patterns.
So as far as this myth goes - busted!
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What about flight attendants, they should stay home too then?
They are often flying more than we are, those poor kids!!!
As long as they are loved and supported theill be fine, you don't have to hover over them 24/7...
They are often flying more than we are, those poor kids!!!
As long as they are loved and supported theill be fine, you don't have to hover over them 24/7...