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Air Pollution

Old 8th Aug 2012, 05:27
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Air Pollution

Looking out my window I can see virtually nothing . The air pollution has returned big time! it is disgusting outside and appears to be getting worse day by day
We have to breath this sh--t in 24 /7 & it's not doing our longterm health any good
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 06:30
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Oh no not another polution thread...Yawn!!
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 07:19
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Well it's so easy now to go on a base isn't it..
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 07:51
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I know, Cathay management will be concerned about what it is doing to their most valued assets. Reduced EGT margins, staining of the livery, reduced HEPA filter intervals...
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 08:19
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I've said it once....
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 09:31
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Funny to see you tell people to leave if they don't like it...yet now you complain and you are still here!?!?!? Must be LKF keeping you in town
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 09:59
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Oh please!

Never complained about the polution... only those who don't read the posts or can't be ar$ed to search for the five threads that have been started on the subject

I like it here. If and when the negatives are greater than the positves then I will think about it.

If others don't like the bad air then they are free to go - stop complaining and suck it up!

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Old 8th Aug 2012, 12:04
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If they made the pollution particles large enough that they couldn't fit up your nose then there wouldn't be a problem inhaling them. Problem solved.
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 17:46
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Those whingers and whiners are all probably brain dead. Big claims of being super pilots but are really conmen with scant knowledge of meteorology and climatology.

Hong Kong and most parts of southern China are pretty humid for most times of the year, epecially late spring, summer and early autumn. The haze is mainly due to the vapour content and coupled with some dust, visibilty becomes poor. It causes the situation to look and seem much worse than it actually is.
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 18:09
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Big talk for a guy who can't spell Prestwick...
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 00:39
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That's an informative point. How do you account for the taste? Usually filled the packs passing 20 on descent, might be higher now.
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 01:19
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Oh dear - the Kalistans (unless your post was subtle sarcasm in which case it bypassed my pollutant-addled brain) and Adam Nams are just the type of non-thinkers employers like.

Only how ideal is it having non-thinkers as pilots?

Deny it's a problem. Howl down those who do. symbols at yet another tedious thread about pollution. Other people feel its an issue, why not just read another thread rather than contribute stupidity?

Unfortunately, these types also tend to be the biggest whiners and pains in the Company posterior when eventually one of their kids has respiratory problems or at 48 they learn they have lung disease.

I would categorise these people as suffering "Chronic Aggressive Convenient Pollutant Myopia". A disease afflicting those for whom the importance of folding green paper outweighs the detrimental effects of carcinogenic black particulates and pour vitriol at anybody who dares to think differently.
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 01:19
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Big talk for a guy who can't spell Prestwick...
Ha ha ha! What do we have here a nincompoop ( or is it nincompom?! ) who thinks the world of himself and shitty old britannia!

I live in Preswick, MI and not at Prestwick Someone need to give this d**b a**e some geography lessons. Sigh..............
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 01:41
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And you need a chemistry/ meteorology lesson. Humidity mixed with assorted dust etc does not turn the air in the last 100 feet or so shitty brown , nor does it dye bare feet, any horizontal surface , mucous membranes, Children's lungs black when you walk on it / are subjected to it / breathe it.
The conditions are exactly the same as the Ruhr Valley etc back in the 70's when pollution was so bad that good old BFBS used to make TV broadcasts telling people ( especially children) not to go out in it. Two things different here; we can't blame it on freezing fog , and our plutocratic, money obsessed, venal excuse for a government hasn't got the balls ( nor the inclination ) to tell us the truth.
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 02:25
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Why are most of you whingers still there? Get out of there fast. With the big money you guys accummulated there, come back to the west and " create " jobs! We need more start ups and LCCs to create more jobs; you guys are the shoo in for expert airline management and green, clean flight operations.

Campaign to get all Western airlines to boycott HKG and China; leave them to rot in their muck and pollution. We will be able to create our own hemisphere of clean, incorruptible and utopian way of life.
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 12:12
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For those poor deluded " water vapour " suckers, check this out, I'm sure it's just some bunch of freaks spruking conspiracy theories but maybe not ?

Hedley Environmental Index

For the " I'll leave when The negatives exceed the positives ", is that when you or one of your loved ones ( possibly one and the same ) get cancer ? You do realise by that time your pretty much fcuked, right ?

Mmmm, money or health, that's a tough one alright.....
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 14:04
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Campaign to get all Western airlines to boycott HKG and China; leave them to rot in their muck and pollution.
Yeah, whilst they continue to make everything for the west, hence the pollution.

Chine has no option, tighter control means higher prices which in turn means manufacturing moves elsewhere where there is no control. Huge loss of jobs and then we are really screwed.

It is disgusting the st that fills the skies, China is to blame as that is where it originates but only due to the ever increasing need for cheap goods in the west. Those who complain need to see how much stuff they have bought that is made in China.
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 21:25
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It is disgusting the st that fills the skies, China is to blame as that is where it originates but only due to the ever increasing need for cheap goods in the west. Those who complain need to see how much stuff they have bought that is made in China.
When I was a young lad in Wigan, Lancashire UK I remember thick heavy smog, especially in winter. So thick the soot precipitated on your hair, face and clothes. Cause was the local Iron works, gas works, many, many steam driven cotton mills, the local engine shed with its allocation of nearly 100 steam locomotives, countless small factorys etc etc.

Virtually all the above has gone (most to China), and the air is now clear and crisp in Wigan on a sunny winters day. !!!!!!!!

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Old 9th Aug 2012, 21:54
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SloppyJoe Quote:-"China is to blame as that is where it originates but only due to the ever increasing need for cheap goods in the west. Those who complain need to see how much stuff they have bought that is made in China"

The only people that "need" cheap goods are the shopkeepers, to get people to spend money. A lot of my purchases are purely because of the price not because of the need. I recently replaced a perfectly good CRT television set with a new flat screen LCD set. I didn't need to but the price was good.

How many "Gadget Men" or "Got to have it people" or "Janets" (Just Another New Electronic Toy) do you know?

But it is just as well that the goods are cheap as they probably won't be working next year - ahh, even more pollution!

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Old 9th Aug 2012, 22:23
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Sloppy Joe.

A good percentage of the pollution is home grown.

Yes, the Pearl River Delta is a major source, but don't forget the exhaust spewing buses/trucks, the dirty(cheap) fuel burning ships and coal burning power stations in our own back yard.

Just as the government uses misleading and outdated pollution indicators, it is that same government who's lousy policies fail to address the home grown crap that we have to breathe in for the majority of the year.

As an aside, of course it doesn't help that many of the factories in the Pearl River Delta are owned by Hong Kong people - a fact conveniently overlooked by many.

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