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Agreed. It does seem arbitrary to have withheld 10% from captains and nothing from the other groups. Either pro-rate the refund 90, 92.5, 95, 97.5 or give it all back to everyone.
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It wasn't that arbitrary: Those who earned (plus or minus) 20 times the salary of the 90% who got 1 week off ended up with 3.6 (90% x 4) weeks of extra paid leave, while the 90% got 1 week of extra paid leave from this scheme in which nobody was entitled to any extra paid leave. Come on, let it go. Many of these same capts are lining up for unpaid leave again. Just as with SLS, ULV is expected and announced to be just that: Unpaid leave. Let it go.
Funny that people like Dan thought everyone else got an extra paid month off too. No wonder they think they got shafted vs. realizing they got 3.6 times MORE of something valuable than 90% of employees.
Funny that people like Dan thought everyone else got an extra paid month off too. No wonder they think they got shafted vs. realizing they got 3.6 times MORE of something valuable than 90% of employees.
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A far better way to have some extra time off without falling for this Unpaid Leave scheme whereby if you take 2 months Unpaid you lose another 1 weeks paid leave for your participation, is to utilize the PROFFERING system in your Rostering practices agreement, and the interface is already on crew direct.
A typical roster would be 80-84 hours on average therefore in theory a Captain can proffer all of his flying at a cost of $80-84K. An F/O could proffer all his roster at a cost of $40-44 k and an S/O for a cost of $24-25,200. All ranks would have a fair amount of salary still remaining (zero salary with unpaid leave!) with no pro rata costs in the company favour and full entitlements intact.
Proffering trips before and after leave and days off can generate very acceptable amounts of days off at reasonable cost. The system needs to have givers and takers to work and if we all took unpaid leave obviously we would shoot ourselves in the foot because we would all be on minimum G days and proffers would not be awarded.
A typical roster would be 80-84 hours on average therefore in theory a Captain can proffer all of his flying at a cost of $80-84K. An F/O could proffer all his roster at a cost of $40-44 k and an S/O for a cost of $24-25,200. All ranks would have a fair amount of salary still remaining (zero salary with unpaid leave!) with no pro rata costs in the company favour and full entitlements intact.
Proffering trips before and after leave and days off can generate very acceptable amounts of days off at reasonable cost. The system needs to have givers and takers to work and if we all took unpaid leave obviously we would shoot ourselves in the foot because we would all be on minimum G days and proffers would not be awarded.
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Yes, Cirilgroove, thanks. As it is, with nobody disappearing on ULV, I've only managed to successfully proffer 1 trip, after many attempts, due to the lack of available participants.
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Arguements for pay increase
I'm sure we all would love another pay rise, but in the current climate I think that's wishful thinking. It's hard enough to ask for a rise during good times, good luck trying to do it now
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F1,
It seems as though the company's PR machine is working its magic on you. I am expecting the AOA to be going back to the table as soon as the current agreement expires. Inflation continues to erode our wages, and with what appears to be more central bank easing going forward I would not expect that to change anytime soon. Fox 2!
It seems as though the company's PR machine is working its magic on you. I am expecting the AOA to be going back to the table as soon as the current agreement expires. Inflation continues to erode our wages, and with what appears to be more central bank easing going forward I would not expect that to change anytime soon. Fox 2!
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I am more than willing to help in bad times IF in good times the favour is repaid. There have been 2 bad times at CX in my career here and I have helped both times but only seen one half decent payrise. The way I see it, they still owe me one and I will not be doing any more favours until we are even. Besides, I don't believe this is a bad time despite the bleating. When we see financial figures to rival the American carriers, come and see me.
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sorvad, it has a lot to do with everyone else.
If you take unpaid leave the remainder pick up the trips you would have otherwise done. So, those at work will be working harder for their money.
If no one takes unpaid leave then everyone works less for their money.
If you take unpaid leave the remainder pick up the trips you would have otherwise done. So, those at work will be working harder for their money.
If no one takes unpaid leave then everyone works less for their money.
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Recruitment
If this is the case and there is a hiring freeze on ground staff and cabin crew are being asked to take leave, has the company suspended new flight crew recruitment?
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How F'ing dare you berate me for making the choice to take some time off for less money just so you can work less for the same money.... This whole bloody forum stinks.... From schadenfreude of the worst kind on the "Paris base closes" thread, to you to$$€rs on this thread begrudging families or individuals wanting to make the most of a lull in business and take some quality time off (and no not just a few extra days on the roster) to do what they want to do just so you can have an easier life without taking a hit
How bloody dare you
How bloody dare you
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Sorvad. you should rename yourself 'sosad'. Really buddy, by taking the UPL you are playing into the cynical hands of management. Do it if you want, just don't complain later when the next brick is removed.... No wonder this career has been hollowed out beyond all recognition.
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Tornado, maybe you should change your name to patronising tw@t.... I'm not playing into the hands of anyone... I'm taking advantage of a chance to take more time off to be with my family at a time that suits me....meanwhile you can carry on working your normal roster if you want because that suits you... You're not working any harder because of me... You're just not working less ... So what's your F'ing problem.... If you were at BA or easyjet would you begrudge guys who choose to go on a part time roster for part pay?.... It's options like that that allow their crew to do other stuff as they please outside of work... Not everyone wants to, but some do... It's called flexibility... Its very poular and it suits the company and the employee....God forbid Cathay should ever offer part time .... that might suit so many crew that you might have to work your normal roster indefinitely.
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Sorvad,
You seem a bit stressed out, why don't you knock off a few months on sick leave instead? I'm not sure you are aware but you actually get paid while you are on sick leave.
I realize you are trying to help out, and save CX some money so maybe the sick leave option is not right for you (even if you are too stressed out to fly)...
You seem a bit stressed out, why don't you knock off a few months on sick leave instead? I'm not sure you are aware but you actually get paid while you are on sick leave.
I realize you are trying to help out, and save CX some money so maybe the sick leave option is not right for you (even if you are too stressed out to fly)...
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