UN warn of impending pilot shortage!
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UN warn of impending pilot shortage!
The UN have warned of an impending pilot shortage, with 980,000 needed by 2030.
ICAO have launched a YouTube video and contest to try to get youngsters excited about a career as a pilot.
Perhaps they should post details of the starting salary at, say, an American regional carrier, or the new conditions at many major international airlines worldwide, and post them in comparison to Doctor/Lawyer/Accountant salaries!
ICAO have launched a YouTube video and contest to try to get youngsters excited about a career as a pilot.
Perhaps they should post details of the starting salary at, say, an American regional carrier, or the new conditions at many major international airlines worldwide, and post them in comparison to Doctor/Lawyer/Accountant salaries!
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Thanks G.
I would also like to add that Raymond Benjamin isn't part of the managerial classes that has been strangling aviation over the last two decades for their beloved bonuses. His background is mostly as a bureaucrat in the French CAD before moving into ICAO.
I would also like to add that Raymond Benjamin isn't part of the managerial classes that has been strangling aviation over the last two decades for their beloved bonuses. His background is mostly as a bureaucrat in the French CAD before moving into ICAO.
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Wraith advice
Wraith, if you are a pilot with CX please do yourself a favour (and your colleagues along the way) and research your post before pressing SUBMIT REPLY lest you make yourself and ourselves look like morons!
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Guys,
what they really want is an OVERsupply of pilots to bring/keep wages down.
At Cathay there will never be a shortage anyway.
We will have to fight for our terms and conditions ourselves.Stop the silly blame game, who cares if the next generation of SO is from India or from Burkina Faso, it is our responsibility , our careers ,here and now.
what they really want is an OVERsupply of pilots to bring/keep wages down.
At Cathay there will never be a shortage anyway.
We will have to fight for our terms and conditions ourselves.Stop the silly blame game, who cares if the next generation of SO is from India or from Burkina Faso, it is our responsibility , our careers ,here and now.
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Thanks Black Cloud! Sage advice from one whom, I'm guessing, has never made a mistake! I'm suitably chastised and grovel, humbly, before you!
The fact still stands, that the powers that be, ICAO, IATA etc etc are still doing nothing but pay lip service to the growing pressures on airlines and airline staff alike. Have the salaries increased at Colgan since their much publicized accident?
Maybe conditions WILL start to improve as the shortage bites, but I'm certainly not holding my breath. And the dumbing down of flying by the likes of Michael O'Leary only degrades the profession further in the eyes of the public. We are just bus drivers, right?
The fact still stands, that the powers that be, ICAO, IATA etc etc are still doing nothing but pay lip service to the growing pressures on airlines and airline staff alike. Have the salaries increased at Colgan since their much publicized accident?
Maybe conditions WILL start to improve as the shortage bites, but I'm certainly not holding my breath. And the dumbing down of flying by the likes of Michael O'Leary only degrades the profession further in the eyes of the public. We are just bus drivers, right?
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Well done Wraith. I couldn't agree with you more. I see my job equal to or more important than that of a surgeon. HKG surgeons get circa $200,000HKD per month (minimum gross) with very generous backhanders to boot. If they mess up and kill/maim a patient their MPS protects them, if we mess up and , god forbid, take 400 souls with us, we are on our own. It is time all pilots got their heads out of their bums (and out of the clouds) and realize that airlines prey on us knowing we strive for the freedom/prestige flight once delivered (sadly no longer). This is a very hard job that deserves a very high salary and I for one want the AOA to push for at least original A scale salary with a defined benefit Provident Fund. We deserve it!!!!
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we are not bus drivers
How dare you compare pilots to bus drivers.
bus drivers are highly trained professionals
they take at least 8 weeks to train.
Most of them are highly educated and do charity work to boot
The constant stress they are under is recognised by the authroities and hence work hours are highly regulated
Compensation and benefits are in line with the high skill level they posess
in london starting salary is 50k with benefits thrown in raising the package to £75k plus
There is no comparison
bus drivers are highly trained professionals
they take at least 8 weeks to train.
Most of them are highly educated and do charity work to boot
The constant stress they are under is recognised by the authroities and hence work hours are highly regulated
Compensation and benefits are in line with the high skill level they posess
in london starting salary is 50k with benefits thrown in raising the package to £75k plus
There is no comparison
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It is time all pilots got their heads out of their bums (and out of the clouds) and realize that airlines prey on us knowing we strive for the freedom/prestige flight once delivered (sadly no longer). This is a very hard job that deserves a very high salary and I for one want the AOA to push for at least original A scale salary with a defined benefit Provident Fund. We deserve it!!!!
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Good One Black Cloud. We had the chance to ask for it last year, but 75% voted for no pay rise at all. Go figure.
Well said crwjerk,
Still can't believe all the bull**** I had to listen to during that time about how everyone was going to vote, and what happened, they all lost their balls and voted the other way...........pathetic
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The Real Message being delivered...
by the UN and IATA's TT is:
The public should get used to the idea of far less experienced pilots up front. Airlines will be relying on the previous generation's captains and flight automation to keep the wheels rolling on the pavement.
Don't believe it can happen? Just look at the US regional industry. Historically at many regionals, it is not just the FO but also the captain that are low experience and sometimes poorly trained pilots. Somehow, the fact that they fly half the passengers of a 737 or 320 makes it OK to have guys up front without a clue. This was even done when there were plenty of experienced pilots available just so that the airlines could lower costs.
Now take this situation, put the pilots in larger planes and remove the relative safety of the US ATC system = recipe for disaster. Incidents like the Air Phil Express A320 off the runway will be a regular occurrence, as will much worse accidents.
Nothing will change until the public demands better from the airlines and their regulators, as was the case after Colgan Q400 crash in Buffalo.
The public should get used to the idea of far less experienced pilots up front. Airlines will be relying on the previous generation's captains and flight automation to keep the wheels rolling on the pavement.
Don't believe it can happen? Just look at the US regional industry. Historically at many regionals, it is not just the FO but also the captain that are low experience and sometimes poorly trained pilots. Somehow, the fact that they fly half the passengers of a 737 or 320 makes it OK to have guys up front without a clue. This was even done when there were plenty of experienced pilots available just so that the airlines could lower costs.
Now take this situation, put the pilots in larger planes and remove the relative safety of the US ATC system = recipe for disaster. Incidents like the Air Phil Express A320 off the runway will be a regular occurrence, as will much worse accidents.
Nothing will change until the public demands better from the airlines and their regulators, as was the case after Colgan Q400 crash in Buffalo.
