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Cathay B744 evacuation incident at Shanghai
A Cathay Pacific Flight CX365 (STD: 0945) from Shanghai to Hong Kong has been involved in an incident at Shanghai Pudong International Airport this morning.
We can confirm that all the 351 passengers and 19 crew have been evacuated from the Boeing 747-400 aircraft. Our preliminary information indicates that the Captain ordered the aircraft evacuated because smoke was detected in the cabin prior to departure.
All passengers and crew were taken to the airport after evacuation, and we have been informed that there are only a few minor injuries. At this stage our priority is the welfare of our passengers and crew.
We have launched an investigation into the incident and are cooperating with the authorities at Shanghai airport.
We are still ascertaining details of the incident and will release further information as when it can be confirmed.
We can confirm that all the 351 passengers and 19 crew have been evacuated from the Boeing 747-400 aircraft. Our preliminary information indicates that the Captain ordered the aircraft evacuated because smoke was detected in the cabin prior to departure.
All passengers and crew were taken to the airport after evacuation, and we have been informed that there are only a few minor injuries. At this stage our priority is the welfare of our passengers and crew.
We have launched an investigation into the incident and are cooperating with the authorities at Shanghai airport.
We are still ascertaining details of the incident and will release further information as when it can be confirmed.
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Where are the fire services in the photos?
And how many details can one believe since it's next to a link to a story titled:
GAY MALE PENGUINS BECOME ADOPTIVE PARENTS IN HARBIN
And how many details can one believe since it's next to a link to a story titled:
GAY MALE PENGUINS BECOME ADOPTIVE PARENTS IN HARBIN
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Correct decision by the Skipper, who acted with the info he had available and given to him.
Do not second guess him...none of us were there. I say this as there are usually people who will come up with some smart ass answer in hindsight.
Do not second guess him...none of us were there. I say this as there are usually people who will come up with some smart ass answer in hindsight.
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Accident: Cathay B744 at Shanghai on Dec 9th 2011, smoke in cabin during taxi
A Cathay Pacific Boeing 747-400, registration B-HUB performing flight CX-365 from Shanghai to Hong Kong (China) with 351 passengers and 19 crew, was taxiing for departure when smoke appeared in the cabin prompting the captain to initiate an evacuation of the aircraft. A number of passengers received injuries in the evacuation.
The airline confirmed 7 passengers and 2 crew received minor injuries in the evacuation and have been taken to hospital. Arrangements are being made to get the passengers to their destination.
The City government reported there were 7 injuries in the evacuation.]
The airline confirmed 7 passengers and 2 crew received minor injuries in the evacuation and have been taken to hospital. Arrangements are being made to get the passengers to their destination.
The City government reported there were 7 injuries in the evacuation.]
Injuries aside, how is this an accident?
I have no opinion on whether the definition applies to this incident, but your comment "injuries aside" doesn't belong.
I typically judge the seriousness not by evacuation injuries alone
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Maybe you missed THIS photo AFP: Nine hurt as Cathay aborts takeoff in Shanghai showing a man sliding down with at least TWO items of hand-carry baggage while the other passengers wait at the top of the slide, clearly accompanied by their carry-on items!
What happened to, "Jump and slide, two at a time?"
Why are the cabin crew allowing passengers to take their carry-on items?
What happened to, "Jump and slide, two at a time?"
Why are the cabin crew allowing passengers to take their carry-on items?
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I dont think cabin crew allowed anyone to take their bags. People just didnt listen to their instructions.
Out of 350 pax you would always have a few who disregard the instructions, because they dont realise the risks involved or dont know English.
Out of 350 pax you would always have a few who disregard the instructions, because they dont realise the risks involved or dont know English.
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Its unbelieveable that so many evacuated and so few injuries, well done to the Crew. Those who work in this region would know what I am talking about. Its very hard to get adherance to instructions, no surprise some took cabin baggage with them, indeed it would probably be an all out boxing match to get them to leave it behind.
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Cedar,
I would think the Captain ordered the evacuation, not "the crew decided to pop the slides."
Here are some more great photos PhotoBlog - Passengers hang on to their luggage as they evacuate plane due to smoke in cabin
What's up with the slide under L4? It would dump its sliders UNDER the plane on the RIGHT side! Wind?
I would think the Captain ordered the evacuation, not "the crew decided to pop the slides."
Here are some more great photos PhotoBlog - Passengers hang on to their luggage as they evacuate plane due to smoke in cabin
What's up with the slide under L4? It would dump its sliders UNDER the plane on the RIGHT side! Wind?
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Yes passengers should leave their bags behind but, as seen in these pictures, a lot don't.
Realistically, it could cause delays at the top of the slide if CC are trying to wrestle bags from people. If they manage to get bags from the pax what do the crew then do with those bags?
Realistically, it could cause delays at the top of the slide if CC are trying to wrestle bags from people. If they manage to get bags from the pax what do the crew then do with those bags?
CRM is one of your stronger points than Cedar. Great result and well done to all. Hope I never have to fly with you Cedar me old as In all my years of flying I trusted my cabin crew.
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CEDAR TREE
Cedar tree, do not fall into the trap of becoming a Monday Morning Quarter back. Whilst your suggestion may seem logical to you, maybe you need to consider the following. The flight deck of the 400 is a considerable distance from the furthest galley and it obviously involves a trip downstairs and back again upstairs if one was to follow your suggestion. Now if the FO has had to go to the very back of the aircraft to troubleshoot whilst there is a strong smell and smoke, and in fact an evacuation is required...what will he or she do? Call the skipper on the intercom who is alone in the flight deck dealing with ATC, cabin crew, and checklists by himself, and suggest he evacuates...or will he race upstairs and try to get back in the flight deck of which the door may be locked....distract the captain again trying to gain access. Or if the FO is at the area affected and the Captain orders an evacuation, suddenly he cannot get back upstairs against 350+ passengers grabbing their carry on and in a state of panic heading in the opposite direction of the flight deck. Sorry mate your idea has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
Ordering an evacuation is probably the toughest decision a pilot will have to make as no doubt some elderly will be injured, the Captain has to rely heavily on information from the trained cabin crew and then make a call and implement the actions. If you have the luxury of a 3 or 4 man crew then having a look may be an option...but 2 crew I would be most reluctant to lose the FO and be faced with all the communication and checklists as a single pilot in an large airplane designed to be operated by 2 pilots, ATC or cabin crew or indeed the Captain would be out of the loop for far too long a period.
The 2 pilots in the flight deck working together are the only ones who can make the call, assessing what they have been told and it is heartening to see full support from the company in backing the crew actions in the preliminary stages,and unconditional support should also be forthcoming from their colleagues. I know both of the crew, they are highly experienced and competent and I am positive they made the correct choice given the information provided. I am not so sure I would want to be on Cedars plane one day.
So there you have Cedar Tree , maybe not so simple after all.
Ordering an evacuation is probably the toughest decision a pilot will have to make as no doubt some elderly will be injured, the Captain has to rely heavily on information from the trained cabin crew and then make a call and implement the actions. If you have the luxury of a 3 or 4 man crew then having a look may be an option...but 2 crew I would be most reluctant to lose the FO and be faced with all the communication and checklists as a single pilot in an large airplane designed to be operated by 2 pilots, ATC or cabin crew or indeed the Captain would be out of the loop for far too long a period.
The 2 pilots in the flight deck working together are the only ones who can make the call, assessing what they have been told and it is heartening to see full support from the company in backing the crew actions in the preliminary stages,and unconditional support should also be forthcoming from their colleagues. I know both of the crew, they are highly experienced and competent and I am positive they made the correct choice given the information provided. I am not so sure I would want to be on Cedars plane one day.
So there you have Cedar Tree , maybe not so simple after all.
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