Things are changing: Accept it
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routetuner/Captain Dart;
What's with this dredging up the past to try and prove some sort of ethnological point ? All airlines experience problems of one sort or another and it would not hurt for you two experts to have a cursory look around your own backyard.
Prince of Dzun.
What's with this dredging up the past to try and prove some sort of ethnological point ? All airlines experience problems of one sort or another and it would not hurt for you two experts to have a cursory look around your own backyard.
Prince of Dzun.
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Here's a serious question for all you CX and KA guys out there.
Hong Kong is a small place, which now has 3 native airlines operating within it's market. Two of them are unionized, the third is not.
The two which are unionised - have separate unions? Am I correct? That's what I'm told.
If true, I find it bizarre, especially after the merger(?) of the two companies.
Why does HK need two different unions?
Following on from that - if there was a single union representing ALL pilots in HKG wouldn't it make sense to invite the pilots of the new un-unionised company to join? Don't you think it would make a lot more sense to be in the business now of dragging up the terms and conditions of those new pilots to CX levels? Because if you don't, you will inevitably be dragged down to theirs.
Hong Kong is a small place, which now has 3 native airlines operating within it's market. Two of them are unionized, the third is not.
The two which are unionised - have separate unions? Am I correct? That's what I'm told.
If true, I find it bizarre, especially after the merger(?) of the two companies.
Why does HK need two different unions?
Following on from that - if there was a single union representing ALL pilots in HKG wouldn't it make sense to invite the pilots of the new un-unionised company to join? Don't you think it would make a lot more sense to be in the business now of dragging up the terms and conditions of those new pilots to CX levels? Because if you don't, you will inevitably be dragged down to theirs.
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From: ceduna
ethnological
Ethnological! Wow what does that mean?
My point was state the facts as they are /were. Greatest airline? Quantify it. Sing air greatest- Quantify it and don't miss out the relevent facts. They( sing air) are a pampered breed and should not be mentioned in the same breath as CX.
My point was state the facts as they are /were. Greatest airline? Quantify it. Sing air greatest- Quantify it and don't miss out the relevent facts. They( sing air) are a pampered breed and should not be mentioned in the same breath as CX.
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Algol
Now you really are showing your lack of knowledge! Ever heard of HKALPA?
HKA and HKE are hardly 'native" considering they are owned by Hainan, what is your beef were you turned down by the other two native airlines?
Hong Kong is a small place, which now has 3 native airlines operating within it's market. Two of them are unionized, the third is not.
HKA and HKE are hardly 'native" considering they are owned by Hainan, what is your beef were you turned down by the other two native airlines?
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HKALPA - riiiiight.
So what do they do, besides produce nice Safety circulars once a year?
And what then is the HKAOA? Why is THAT needed?
And that other thing - the DPA? What's THAT all about?
Mind your own business about my motives.
I'll ask the questions.
So what do they do, besides produce nice Safety circulars once a year?
And what then is the HKAOA? Why is THAT needed?
And that other thing - the DPA? What's THAT all about?
Mind your own business about my motives.
I'll ask the questions.
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From: Chabanais, France
They( sing air) are a pampered breed and should not be mentioned in the same breath as CX.
All airlines have had their problems, LH at Kai Tak, AF off a small island with a B744, BA in the game park, QF at BKK, the last one could very easily have been as bad as SQ at TPE, (it wasn't a taxiway, it was a parallel runway that was under repair).
You will be telling us next that SQ get preferential treatment from ATC at Changi - before you do please take the trouble to go up and visit ATC, then you will see that everyone gets treated the same. If you want to see ATC bias in action try getting the right hand westerly runway at FRA when there is a LH anywhere near!
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Harlem, blind doesn't even come near. You forgot Deaf and Dumb too.
Things are changing alright, but the DPA, the HKOA and HKALPA are like three little monkeys - refusing to see the writing on the wall.
HKOA, you lost your last great battle against your management, and the latest news - Direct LHS! If true, what are you going to do about it? Maybe, er, another hiring ban?
DPA, your company is being swallowed up and incorporated into CX. Are you going to go to war with the HKOA over seniority?
HKALPA, why do you exist really? You call yourselves an 'umbrella organisation'. Rubbish. The umbrella organisation is IFALPA. You are an ineffectual redundancy. As far as I can see your role is to try to act as middle man between the DPA and HKOA.
The divisions are obvious and will soon be exploited to the max by managements at all three HKG companies. The only hope you have is in unity and concerted reaction and resistance.
But if all you are interested in is - who did I want to work for, you are a self deluded little monkey, bound for the slaughter.
Things are changing alright, but the DPA, the HKOA and HKALPA are like three little monkeys - refusing to see the writing on the wall.
HKOA, you lost your last great battle against your management, and the latest news - Direct LHS! If true, what are you going to do about it? Maybe, er, another hiring ban?
DPA, your company is being swallowed up and incorporated into CX. Are you going to go to war with the HKOA over seniority?
HKALPA, why do you exist really? You call yourselves an 'umbrella organisation'. Rubbish. The umbrella organisation is IFALPA. You are an ineffectual redundancy. As far as I can see your role is to try to act as middle man between the DPA and HKOA.
The divisions are obvious and will soon be exploited to the max by managements at all three HKG companies. The only hope you have is in unity and concerted reaction and resistance.
But if all you are interested in is - who did I want to work for, you are a self deluded little monkey, bound for the slaughter.
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From: Hong Kong
Even the name - Cathay. It harks back to a quaint time when Britain was the world superpower. What relevance has the name 'Cathay' to the modern Chinese? Nothing, but a loathsome reminder of the time when China was on its knees before the europeans.
Marco Polo took spaghetti down the Silk Road, and that went down very well.
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From: ceduna
para
It was not a runway under repair- it has been a taxyway for 20 years! You haven't been around for too long obviously.
sing atc is the most biased in the world- I don't need to go to the sing (airlines) atc centre to tell me that.
CX is the best managed airline in the world, it has a fantastic safety record and the workforce is the envy of most airlines.
Do you work for sing airlines? sounds like it- anyway doesn't matter to me, I know who I want to fly for and it ain't sq.
Get your facts right next time- but then again you live in the lion city and fed b***s***.
sing atc is the most biased in the world- I don't need to go to the sing (airlines) atc centre to tell me that.
CX is the best managed airline in the world, it has a fantastic safety record and the workforce is the envy of most airlines.
Do you work for sing airlines? sounds like it- anyway doesn't matter to me, I know who I want to fly for and it ain't sq.
Get your facts right next time- but then again you live in the lion city and fed b***s***.
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From: Yellow Brick Road
Marco Polo took spaghetti down the Silk Road
Explorer Marco Polo 'never actually went to China' - Telegraph
Marco Polo's journeys to China and the Far East established him as one of history’s greatest explorers but archeologists now believe he never actually went there. They think it more likely that the Venetian merchant adventurer picked up second-hand stories of China, Japan and the Mongol Empire from Persian merchants whom he met on the shores of the Black Sea – thousands of miles short of the Orient.
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
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From: Chabanais, France
Well done routetuner, 100% wrong again!!! The SQ accident happened on a runway under repair, and the side and centrline lights were reported as being on. Yes I had ten good years on the 744 with SQ and flew out of TPE many times.
Regarding ATC I will treat your comments with the contempt they deserve, if you are not prepared to visit ATC and see for yourself then anything you have to say is worthless.
- so says routetuner, Yeah, right!!!
(P.S. You are a good Troll though!).
Regarding ATC I will treat your comments with the contempt they deserve, if you are not prepared to visit ATC and see for yourself then anything you have to say is worthless.
Get your facts right next time-
(P.S. You are a good Troll though!).
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From: ceduna
tpe 05
It was originally built as a runway- 05L and 05R .It was stopped being used as a runway 20 years ago and only used as a taxyway from then on. We always used it as a taxyway. Obviously it is much wider than a taxyway and that is why sq lined up on it in LV conditions as it looks like a runway. And yes they were working on it as sq hit what ever was left there. I don't know what markings were left on it regards being 05R, possibly there were. Whatever was marked on it was removed at some point. On the airport chart it was 05R but not anymore. Anyway it hasn't been used as runway for a long time, it was used as a taxyway. If sq had a correct runway ident procedure in their SOPs then the accident may not have happenend.
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
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From: Chabanais, France
It was originally built as a runway- 05L and 05R .It was stopped being used as a runway 20 years ago and only used as a taxyway from then on.
If sq had a correct runway ident procedure in their SOPs then the accident may not have happenend.
You really must make a bigger effort to get your facts right routetuner. (keep trolling though, we all enjoy a good laugh and your apology is accepted).
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Parabellum, not exactly, the centerline lights of 05R were green (taxiway) lights not white runway lights, the edge lights were a combination of runway and taxiway lights, plus it's only 45m wide not 60m like 05L.
Calling 05R a runway is a stretch it was available for takeoff only at pilots request and only under certain weather conditions.
Calling 05R a runway is a stretch it was available for takeoff only at pilots request and only under certain weather conditions.
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From: ceduna
para
I'll say again it was discontinued as a runway 20 years ago. if sq had correct SOP's for that situation it would not have happenend. It was an accident waiting waiting to happen to to the uninformed- call them naive if you want to. Let me ask you how do/did you know you were on the correct runway for in an LVP? How does your wonderful sq do it now?