Hong Kong Airlines order A380s

[bila]

The political will is on the side of HX and why not, after all they Have "Hong Kong" written on the side of their aircraft and display no hangover of the Colonial era.

kay lo dee

Absolutely well said! Singapore Airlines is a good example too. Any buisness venture is a gamble.
Its a open market and skies. Employees and customers have choices / options.

[ETOPS240]

For CX. We all know that business people like to arrive at the start of the work day, or leave at the end of the work day. Arriving or departing at any other time is not as popular.

True enough, but they also like frequency. And cargo. Frequency is the name of the game with CX, therefore 3 77Ws is a superior model to 2 x A388s for the same no. of pax.

A389, however??

[Steve the Pirate]

Good grief..

@Zeke

That's why I wrote:

I don't think for one minute that this hasn't been considered by HKA management but we can only speculate whether or not they will compete with CX on the same routes

If you'd read the next sentence rather than selectively quoting the above, then you'd have saved yourself some time. You'll also notice that later in the post I agree with Fly747.

[bunglesboy]

Don't get to excited

The only reason the article mentions HKA and the purchase of A380's is that Hainan need to purchase the aircraft through Airlines to avoid paying large tax's in mainland China. It's all a tax dodge. Don't think for one minute that Airlines will operate a single A380.

[Meccano]

Another hostage to fortune.........

[Algol]

Yes. Make a note.

[Virtual Reality]

It is confirmed now that HKA is getting 14 x B748 instead of A380 .....

Update as of end of Day 3, 8:00pm Hong Kong Time


Airbus:

A318
Nil

A319
Republic Airlines(Frontier)- 40 A319NEO (LOI only)

A320
Air Lease Corporation - 20 A320NEO and 14 NEO options
AviancaTACA- 18 A320, 22 A320NEO
CIT Leasing - 50 A320NEO
Garuda - 15 A320, 10A320NEO
GECAS - 60 A320NEO
JetBlue - 40 A320NEO
Republic Airlines(Frontier)- 40 A320NEO (LOI only)
SAS - 30 A320NEO

A321
Air Lease Corporation- 1 and 16 A321NEO
JetBlue- Conversion of 30 existing A320 orders to A321
TransAsia - 6 A321NEO

A330
Air Lease Corporation- 11
Saudi Arabian - 4 (300)

A340
nil

A350
ALAFCO- 6 (900)

A380
nil

Boeing

737
Air Lease Corp- 20 (800)
MIAT Mongolian Airlines- 2 (800)
Norwegian Air Shuttle- 12 (800) + 3 (Icelandair booked earlier)
Malaysia Airlines- 10 (800) (previously unidentified)
UTAir- 7 (700) and 33 (800)

747

Hong Kong Airlines- 14 (747-8i)
Qatar Airways- 1 (747-8i BBJ)
Unidentified- 2 (747-8i)
GECAS- 2 (747-8F) (LOI only)

767
MIAT Mongolian Airlines- 1 (300ER)
LAN- 6 (300ER)

777
Air Lease Corp- 5 (300ER)
GECAS- 6 (300ER)(LOI only)
Aeroflot- 8 (300ER) (previously unidentified)
Qatar Airways- 6 (300ER) (previously unidentified)

787
Air Lease Corp- 4 (787-9)

Bombardier
CSeries
Korean Air- 30 (CS300, LOI only)
Unidentified- 16 (CS 100)
VistaJet- 10 (Global 8000)
AVWest- 4 (Global 7000)
AVWest- 2 (Global 8000)

Embraer
EMB 190 series
Sriwijaya Air- 20 and 10 options
Kenya Air- 10 and 10 options
Air Lease- 2
GECAS- 2
Air Astana- 2 and 2 options.

ATR
Azul Trip Linhas- 10 (600)
GECAS- 15 and 15 options (600)
Skywest Aviation (Australia)- 4 (500)

China COMAC
Ryanair- Signed as partner in development of C919 aircraft

Sukhoi
PT Sky Aviation (Indonesia)- 10 (SSJ-100s)
Blue Panorama- 12 (SSJ-100s)


Conclusion:

By end of Day of 3, Airbus continues to reap in more order for A320NEO family. Republic Airlines ordered 80 A319NEOs and A320NEOs at 40 each. Republic Airlines will be launch customer for A319NEO. AviancaTACA orders 18 non-NEO A320 and 33 A320NEOs.

ALAFCO orders 6 A350, destined for Thai Airways. More order will be revealed especially AirAsia 'mega' order as well as some from Qatar Airways.

As for Boeing, new widebody keeps flowing in. Hong Kong Airlines was the airline behind the 14 B747-8i orders yesterday. B767 passenger line scored another lifeline with 6 order from LAN. GECAS signed Letter of Intention for 6 B777-300ER and 2 B747-8F. UTAir orders 40 B737s.

For other players, it has been relatively quiet. Each smaller players notched up some orders.

VR

[Zeke]

No announcement has been made by Boeing indicating it is HX for the 747-8I, I have been told that these unidentified 747 commitments will only be firmed up next week.

Boeing updates their active orders page every Thursday, it will be interesting to see what that says on Friday HKG time.

The Boeing Company

HX was very close to signing both A380 and 747-8 deals at the Asian Aerospace in Hong Kong a few months back, Boeing even put the below graphic on the website, and Airbus executives were seen leaving the show with an A380 model painted up in HX livery.

[SMOC]

It is confirmed now that HKA is getting 14 x B748 instead of A380 .....

Looks like they just picked up their A380s as planned.

PARIS: Airbus confirms undisclosed tentative A380 deal


So 15 x 747-8I plus 10 x A380s.

Looks like if you're on local terms HKA may be the place to go for a quick Command.

[Fly747]

Quick command!

.....or a base if not on local terms?

[Sqwak7700]

Or if you want to go to a carrier that is actually growing...

[geh065]

Or if you want to go to a carrier that is actually growing...

Growing for how long until it all comes crashing down Oasis-style?

[freightdog188]

the subtle difference is money...
Oasis was privately funded, HKA has the HNA group behind it. Mainland tax dollars....

[airdualbleedfault]

Never mind the 380, have they managed to get their 330 loads over 50% yet ?

[711]

What CX management obviously simply do not understand , customer want the A380, period. All my friends, including those who know absolutely nothing about aviation, want to know if "my" airline will buy them.
How can JS say that the Cathay brand is one of his main objectives and then allow another HK airline to get all the limelight for ordering it first? Why not get only a handfull, deploy them to some prestigious destinations like London, get a luxurious cabin and fill it up with journalists? IFor Christs sake, lease them for a few years and then get rid of them if they are really that bad, nobody will care about it afterwards. It's simply about getting the first mover bonus and run..f you look at how Emirates and others managed to become household names within only a few years you really wonder how exactly Cathay wants to compete on a marketing level. The odd quarter page in the FT won't do it I am afraid..

[The SSK]

The plot thickens

I hear reports that the Chinese Government have blocked the Airbus order, in retaliation for EU Emissions Trading Scheme plans

[geh065]

the subtle difference is money...
Oasis was privately funded, HKA has the HNA group behind it. Mainland tax dollars....

I keep hearing this, and whilst true, it can only last so long. It takes a lot of money to run a fleet of nearly 100 planes including A380s and 747-8s and if you cannot make a profit, the losses are potentially huge. China may have a lot of money but Chinese businessmen are not morons. They will want a eturn on their investment, and if HKA ends up being a black hole of money, the rich backers will pull the plug. Forget millionaires, you would need a multi multi billionaire willing to throw all their money away in order to keep this venture going.

[sodapop]

Dude,

The Chinese government is a group of "multi multi billionaire(S) willing to throw all their money away". And for them, as good communists, profit is a secondary motivation.

Plus they have George Soros and his billions:

On November 30, 2007, a new company called Grand China Airlines Holding Company (GCAHC) was formed under the initiative of the HNA group's largest operational entity, Hainan Airlines. The airline planned to merge its operations with all HNA Group's aviaition subsidiaries. The new holding company was held jointly by Hainan province government (48.6%), HNA group (32.8%) and George Soros (18.6%). As a result, a new airline called Grand China Air (Chinese: 大新華航空) was founded. According to the plan, the former four airlines under HNA group, Hainan Airlines, Shanxi Airlines, Chang'an Airlines, and China Xinhua Airlines should be transferred into Grand China Air in the near future.

[cxorcist]

711,

There is a big difference between what "all your friends" and journalists seeking big stories want versus what is best for the airline. CX is all about making money, not just creating publicity. Your lease idea sounds like a very expensive scheme to create a short-term buzz for CX while a sustained advertising campaign would probably be cheaper and more effective. CX is all about return on investment. When they buy or lease aircraft the objective is maximum profit given a whole range of potential market conditions. I'm not sure the A380 does that better than the -8I or even the big twins.

How many people would ever buy an F class suite on a CX A380? I don't know the answer, but I would bet it is less than .01% of CX passengers. So why do we care so much about this service offering? Maybe we should be providing worldwide corporate jet service for all those ultra rich folks as well...

I think your A380 proposition has more to do with what you need/want than what is best for CX, and I don't want to even imagine what shortcomings you might be compensating for

CXorcist

[geh065]

cxorsist,

Actually airlines currently operating the 380 have reported that their flights operated by that aircraft have an unusually high demand over other types operating the same route. I have no doubt that CX could easily fill a first class suite on the 380 on certain routes. Whether that is enough to offset the huge financial costs of buying the thing in the first place I dont know.