Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Fragrant Harbour
Reload this Page >

Cathay Pacific culture

Wikiposts
Search
Fragrant Harbour A forum for the large number of pilots (expats and locals) based with the various airlines in Hong Kong. Air Traffic Controllers are also warmly welcomed into the forum.

Cathay Pacific culture

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10th Dec 2010, 22:09
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cathay Pacific culture

Hi, a friend of mine is doing an assignment on corporate culture and she has chosen to do it on Cathay Pacific.

She is after people who has worked or is working for Cathay Pacific to help her to answer some questions. If you or know anyone who would be able to answer some of the questions, please let me know via PM if I can pass on your contact details to her.

Here are the questions:
- culture and sub-culture of Cathay Pacific
- any established rituals or routines (e.g. sales meetings, annual kickoff meetings, competitions...) that cultivate the Cathay Pacific spirit
- organisation structure
- operational principles / guidelines that support the culture development
- power structure (formal and informal)
Thanks in advance
Scanorama is offline  
Old 10th Dec 2010, 22:16
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 3rd rock from the Sun
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Try this link for a start

The Cathay Pilots Union Home Page
Bograt is offline  
Old 10th Dec 2010, 22:19
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 3rd rock from the Sun
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Then this one

Perjury probe on Cathay execs over 49ers trial - The Standard
Bograt is offline  
Old 10th Dec 2010, 22:21
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 3rd rock from the Sun
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
And here

Cathay Pacific Pilots on the Brink

Google is your friend.
Bograt is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 00:42
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Everywhere
Posts: 424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Along with the above, there is a blame culture for the Cockpit/Cabin crew.

The Management culture is a culture of non-accountability.

Any questions?

I will PM you may name and contact info, would you like my ERN number as well?
Mr. Bloggs is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 01:04
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In front of the PC
Posts: 298
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Read the DFO comments in this weeks update. We are about to get shafted again!
asianeagle is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 02:36
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: with the other ex-CX pond scum (a zoologist was once head of Flight Ops)
Posts: 1,858
Received 51 Likes on 22 Posts
The purported US airline document alluded to, of marginal relevance to Cathay Pacific crew, was also trotted out in the late nineties by the then DFO, K.B. It must be solemnly handed down from DFO to DFO, enclosed in a folder marked, 'Own Pilots, Justification for the Shafting Of'.

After the K.B. airing of this drivel, the company lurched from one industrial and P.R. disaster to the next. The 49ers action is STILL going on over a decade later.

Hysterical references to car salesmen and 'public perception' of his pilots also contribute to a very entertaining read each week!
Captain Dart is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 02:44
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Here ---> X
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You could add "Utter contempt and disdain for employees" to that list.

A study of the Politburo propaganda techniques in Beijing would also be useful in comparing the two entities.

But then what do we know? We're the bad guys who give the company a bad name from the dizzying heights of our overly benevolent incremental salary scales which also suddenly became generous payrises every year.
Yonosoy Marinero is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 02:51
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Polar Route
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think they are about to "get shafted" - perhaps for the first time.
cxorcist is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 04:19
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: nfa
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A cynic would think NR saw the writing on the wall and moved on before we find out what happens to a DFO that cant keep a schedule together. Does his bonus get docked for every flight that gets cancelled? .... perhaps it'll get used to pay all the overtime that will be needed to cover the lack of adequate crew.
bm330 is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 06:18
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: By the sea
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 2 Posts
The cockpit has a culture of "eating it's own young", which is down right pleasant compaired to the "culture" the DFO is feeding the pilots at present.
pill is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 08:15
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North Pole
Age: 93
Posts: 109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You all forget your audience. Look at the questions. This isn't a starry eyed cadet wanting to join the company. These are hard nosed management questions. They suggest a questioner that is quite aware that units of labour need to be screwed down to make a profit. You will get no sympathy.The 'friend' just wants to know how Cathay does it to compare it to other methods. Its all about share holder return and management bonuses.
MrClaus is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2010, 11:30
  #13 (permalink)  
711
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Up in the air
Age: 58
Posts: 195
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
We do have a culture at Cathay??
711 is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2010, 02:09
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Here ---> X
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, Santa...

The poster's friend is then likely to find out from this forum that CX's method of 'screwing down labour costs' is indeed quite effective and succesful.

But then he didn't need to start a new thread to know that...
Yonosoy Marinero is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2010, 03:06
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: az
Posts: 230
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
He is taking an organizational behaviour class I presume; one of the least useful in any management/business degree program. I'm sure he will see how well it works over the coming year, unless CX agrees to 34% pay rise for pilots. I wonder what the increase in ticket price has and will be over the same period that CX pilots are asking and expecting 34%? I'm assuming more than 34%. Inflation's is a double edged sword so they say.
airplaneridesrfun is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2010, 03:27
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: In your mind.
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cathay has the worst corporate culture I have ever had the pleasure of experiencing. I include working sh!t jobs as a kid.
Rook is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2010, 06:54
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Miffed at being an online internet comedy ....
Age: 69
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This about sums it up ...

YouTube - Captain Toss Parker and Dick
Capt Toss Parker is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2010, 12:12
  #18 (permalink)  

Cool as a moosp
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Mostly Hong Kong
Posts: 802
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

Oh alright, just a tidbit then. CX culture in three words? Oderint dum metuant.
moosp is offline  
Old 14th Dec 2010, 02:17
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: HK
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Oderint dum metuant="let them hate so long as they fear!"
pasa001 is offline  
Old 14th Dec 2010, 14:48
  #20 (permalink)  

Cool as a moosp
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Mostly Hong Kong
Posts: 802
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes Pasa we found the Google link too. More interesting is the character whose maxim it was, and his similarity to certain management styles at CX.

I hope this thread gives some fodder for the academic study. Over the years HKUST BBA and MBA students, to my knowledge, have used CX as a case study of management practices. Some have analyzed well, but most are very critical of the power and control structure of a paternalistic management structure.

You'll need a student card to get into the library to source the dissertations but if you are serious, some of them make disturbing reading.
moosp is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.