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That's cute Agnes. Have you been to Japan? Let's talk about the average life expectancy 10 years from now. Why is it the only people who ever deny the horrific level of pollution here, are from here?
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Harbour Dweller;
As I type this ( 4 Sep 1930 local HK time ) the pollution index at Tung Chung and the airport is 22 which is a " low reading " and the lowest of todays Hongkong readings. Perhaps you shoud relocate and take some of the strain off your good self.
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As I type this ( 4 Sep 1930 local HK time ) the pollution index at Tung Chung and the airport is 22 which is a " low reading " and the lowest of todays Hongkong readings. Perhaps you shoud relocate and take some of the strain off your good self.
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I can't understand why some of you gents are so paranoid about pollution. Hongkong has just enjoyed 3 months of blue sky so a few bad days is really no big deal. Pretend it's not there and weigh it up against your monthly bank balance.
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411, I gave up paying any attention to you years ago. However, your cretinous reference to the 49er's cannot go without mention. For you to even suggest that such a travesty should ever again happen shows just how hollow your soul is. I suggest you continue to wither away in Fountain Hills and leave the rest of us to help ensure that another such episode never happens again. You continue to demonstrate just how empty your own life must be with such appalling comments.
Why does 411A even bother posting this drivel? What has Fragrant Harbour got to do with him? He must be a very bored and mixed up old man.
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He must be a very bored and mixed up old man.
Just a slight reminder that the pilots at CX have no effective say in the management of the company...IE: they cannot fight city hall.
Not even with their so-called AOA, which, from all accounts, is not at all effective.
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7000+ posts 411A
You really have no life at all!!
You are nothing more than a wannabe in this industry, you sprout the most pointless drivel I have ever read. Please crawl back to which ever rock you have crawled from.
You really have no life at all!!
You are nothing more than a wannabe in this industry, you sprout the most pointless drivel I have ever read. Please crawl back to which ever rock you have crawled from.
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Boxjockey-You got a problem with HongKongers? What Agnes said is true. That's a fact. If the city is such an abysmally toxic place as you all suggest, then why are HKers having such long lives? We all would have been poisoned dead long ago if that was the case.
Don't get me wrong, pollution can be very bad, especially with that sandstorm earlier this year, it was downright unbreathable. But other times, it's not that bad. You have to gauge it in a scale of "badness" of pollution.
Here is my totally unscientific but more practical way of knowing whether pollution is bad on a particular day. If you can see Macau, Zhuhai or in the general the western shore of the Pearl River Delta from HKG, then pollution is low (usually the summer months). If you cannot see it, then pollution is high (rest of the year).
Don't get me wrong, pollution can be very bad, especially with that sandstorm earlier this year, it was downright unbreathable. But other times, it's not that bad. You have to gauge it in a scale of "badness" of pollution.
Here is my totally unscientific but more practical way of knowing whether pollution is bad on a particular day. If you can see Macau, Zhuhai or in the general the western shore of the Pearl River Delta from HKG, then pollution is low (usually the summer months). If you cannot see it, then pollution is high (rest of the year).
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Get a raize and Dzun - are you two for real. Talk about putting your head in the sand!
I have been in HK for 20 years. The pollution has increased exponentially over the last 10 years to the point now where it's a disgrace. This 10 year period is not long enough to empirically calculate the effect it is having on longevity.
The old folks who are dying now are older than their predecessors because they have had better diets, fewer wars and for most of their lives clean air.
Their kids and grandkids don't have that.
So just watch the longevity curve turn and start to plummit.
Human beings' lungs just can't take the bombardment of such toxic chemical ingestion without serious health implications.
And Dzun - one good METAR does not dismiss this very real and lethal problem.
Why slowly kill your kids in this environment?
I have been in HK for 20 years. The pollution has increased exponentially over the last 10 years to the point now where it's a disgrace. This 10 year period is not long enough to empirically calculate the effect it is having on longevity.
The old folks who are dying now are older than their predecessors because they have had better diets, fewer wars and for most of their lives clean air.
Their kids and grandkids don't have that.
So just watch the longevity curve turn and start to plummit.
Human beings' lungs just can't take the bombardment of such toxic chemical ingestion without serious health implications.
And Dzun - one good METAR does not dismiss this very real and lethal problem.
Why slowly kill your kids in this environment?
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Even if it's blue sky it does not mean it's clean.
[/url] Environment&set_id=1&click_id=143&art_id=nw20100908110435786 C
Hong Kong - Roadside air pollution in Hong Kong hit record highs in the first six months of the year, hurting public health and economic competitiveness compared with Asian rivals, activists and lawmakers said on Tuesday.
The city's air quality hit "unhealthy" levels about 10 percent of the time between January and June, the highest level in five years, said environmental group Friends of the Earth.
The government advises people with heart or respiratory problems to avoid lingering in traffic-heavy places when the air pollution index goes into "unhealthy" territory.
"Think of the health cost and also the disincentives to tourists and to people investing and setting up companies in Hong Kong," said legislator Audrey Eu who joined green activists in unfurling a big black banner over a roadside monitoring station at the heart of Hong Kong's Central financial district.
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Health experts estimate poor air has cost the city HK$1.18 billion in healthcare bills and lost productivity, along with 3.8 million visits to the doctor, this year.
"The bad air and pollution is actually giving Hong Kong a bad name and deterring people from coming," added Eu, who was among a coalition of lawmakers urging the government to do much more to resolve the problem including accelerating the phasing out of diesel buses and imposing stiffer fines.
Hong Kong's air pollution soared off the charts to unprecedented highs in March when sandstorms from northern China cloaked the city in dust.
A survey by Mercer Consulting ranking the quality of life of 221 cities, found air pollution weighed heavily on Hong Kong, a business gateway to China, knocking its ranking to 71, far below Singapore at 28.
"Hong Kong's always been rated lower than other neighbouring cities ... it's due mainly to our air quality problems," said Edwin Lau, director of Friends of the Earth.
"The government seems to have done a lot of things, but I would say they've only been tinkering on the edges," said Lau, referring to a recent law to ban idling engines.
He noted, however, that imported pollution from China's vast industrial hinterland of the Pearl River Delta, across the border from Hong Kong, had shown mild improvement over the past year given a push to phase out older, more polluting industries there and other emission-reduction measures.
Hong Kong's Environmental Protection Department had no immediate response when contacted by Reuters, but earlier noted that while roadside pollution had peaked, overall atmospheric pollution levels actually fell in the first six months. - Reuters
Hong Kong - Roadside air pollution in Hong Kong hit record highs in the first six months of the year, hurting public health and economic competitiveness compared with Asian rivals, activists and lawmakers said on Tuesday.
The city's air quality hit "unhealthy" levels about 10 percent of the time between January and June, the highest level in five years, said environmental group Friends of the Earth.
The government advises people with heart or respiratory problems to avoid lingering in traffic-heavy places when the air pollution index goes into "unhealthy" territory.
"Think of the health cost and also the disincentives to tourists and to people investing and setting up companies in Hong Kong," said legislator Audrey Eu who joined green activists in unfurling a big black banner over a roadside monitoring station at the heart of Hong Kong's Central financial district.
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Health experts estimate poor air has cost the city HK$1.18 billion in healthcare bills and lost productivity, along with 3.8 million visits to the doctor, this year.
"The bad air and pollution is actually giving Hong Kong a bad name and deterring people from coming," added Eu, who was among a coalition of lawmakers urging the government to do much more to resolve the problem including accelerating the phasing out of diesel buses and imposing stiffer fines.
Hong Kong's air pollution soared off the charts to unprecedented highs in March when sandstorms from northern China cloaked the city in dust.
A survey by Mercer Consulting ranking the quality of life of 221 cities, found air pollution weighed heavily on Hong Kong, a business gateway to China, knocking its ranking to 71, far below Singapore at 28.
"Hong Kong's always been rated lower than other neighbouring cities ... it's due mainly to our air quality problems," said Edwin Lau, director of Friends of the Earth.
"The government seems to have done a lot of things, but I would say they've only been tinkering on the edges," said Lau, referring to a recent law to ban idling engines.
He noted, however, that imported pollution from China's vast industrial hinterland of the Pearl River Delta, across the border from Hong Kong, had shown mild improvement over the past year given a push to phase out older, more polluting industries there and other emission-reduction measures.
Hong Kong's Environmental Protection Department had no immediate response when contacted by Reuters, but earlier noted that while roadside pollution had peaked, overall atmospheric pollution levels actually fell in the first six months. - Reuters
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You seem to have reading comprehension problems, rhone. Did I say pollution was ok in Hong Kong? Now where in my original post did I say pollution was ok in HK? You see the problem with this forum, people are so thin-skinned, the minute someone disagree with anyone's opinion, well, all hell brake loose. No, I'm saying it's not always that bad. I recalled during the past summer months we had plenty of blue sky and we could see Macau and Zhuhai quite clearly. Pollution is very seasonal due to the winds. In the fall and winter, winds tend to blow from the north or northeast, which brings all the pollutants from the mainland. In the summer, winds tend to blow from the south or southwest, which brings cleaner air from the South China Sea.
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METARs don't mean ****
The pollution pumping out of China is f*cking vast. With the dry monsoon the overall air flow is from the north - hence the pollution gets worse. The airflow takes the crap a long, long way south of HKG, so it takes a long, long time with a wind from the south for the air to be clear again.
A METAR showing it is a southerly and therefore claiming that the poor vis is not from pollution is crap.
HKG is a polluted ****hole - thanks to the money grabbing scum to the north. Japan, Europe and USA all had bad pollution - but the people demanded change and got it. The technology does exist. The Chinese leadership don't give a **** about the people, it is all about the profit, so no use of the technology which will reduce pollution and margins. In commie countries like China, people who speak out disappear so the drive for a better place to live which occurred elsewhere will not happen until the commies are gone.
The pollution in the air and food in HKG will shorten your life. Your kids will be sicker more often.
There are pilots who have had to quit CX on medical advice to themselves or family members.
Pollution is a big reason there is so much demand for base slots.
A METAR showing it is a southerly and therefore claiming that the poor vis is not from pollution is crap.
HKG is a polluted ****hole - thanks to the money grabbing scum to the north. Japan, Europe and USA all had bad pollution - but the people demanded change and got it. The technology does exist. The Chinese leadership don't give a **** about the people, it is all about the profit, so no use of the technology which will reduce pollution and margins. In commie countries like China, people who speak out disappear so the drive for a better place to live which occurred elsewhere will not happen until the commies are gone.
The pollution in the air and food in HKG will shorten your life. Your kids will be sicker more often.
There are pilots who have had to quit CX on medical advice to themselves or family members.
Pollution is a big reason there is so much demand for base slots.
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the Chinese government is however slowly waking up to the problem. At least they start to work on it, even though I think what they do is still too little and almost too late - as opposed to our Bowtie Tsang and his cronies (that includes the few brainless people here who parrot this nonsense), who claim we don't really have a problem and tries to prove it with the HK life expectancy....
if medical professionals at the WHO determine that pollutant concentrations above a certain limit are endangering your health, who in his right mind would question that?
now take a look at today's pollution values vs the WHO limits - and today is a "good visibility day":
if medical professionals at the WHO determine that pollutant concentrations above a certain limit are endangering your health, who in his right mind would question that?
now take a look at today's pollution values vs the WHO limits - and today is a "good visibility day":
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spot on cxlinedriver
After 14 fantastic years in HK I recently relocated to Singapore.
Aside from living in a larger version of DB or the Truman show the quality of life in Asia's 'Fine' City is far superior and the air is cleaner. I do miss the sailing, friends and Amazonia's
but that's it.
Memsahib and self became really concerned regarding the health effects caused by the pollution. In my experience it has increased significantly in the last 7 or 8 years. Talk to any western doctor there about the side effects and long term implications of constant exposure to that atmosphere. Scary and sobering stuff. We noticed occasional shortness of breath and as has been mentioned at times you can taste the pollution. It has to be terrible for young children.
Try walking on Bowen road when the pollution is high. It's like sucking on a car exhaust.
Try going over the new bridge and smelling the sulphur from the container ships/port.
We loved HK and especially the low tax but its not worth the health risks and that's why we left. I still love going back on business and I notice the pollution even more as a result of not living in it. HK has changed for the worse and the quality of life has decreased significantly.
I cannot recommend HK as a place to live because of the pollution.
After 14 fantastic years in HK I recently relocated to Singapore.
Aside from living in a larger version of DB or the Truman show the quality of life in Asia's 'Fine' City is far superior and the air is cleaner. I do miss the sailing, friends and Amazonia's
but that's it. Memsahib and self became really concerned regarding the health effects caused by the pollution. In my experience it has increased significantly in the last 7 or 8 years. Talk to any western doctor there about the side effects and long term implications of constant exposure to that atmosphere. Scary and sobering stuff. We noticed occasional shortness of breath and as has been mentioned at times you can taste the pollution. It has to be terrible for young children.
Try walking on Bowen road when the pollution is high. It's like sucking on a car exhaust.
Try going over the new bridge and smelling the sulphur from the container ships/port.
We loved HK and especially the low tax but its not worth the health risks and that's why we left. I still love going back on business and I notice the pollution even more as a result of not living in it. HK has changed for the worse and the quality of life has decreased significantly.
I cannot recommend HK as a place to live because of the pollution.
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Today the pollution was terrible. "Just in time for some PR work" must have been the thinking over at the government, and so they released the following statement to their friends at RTHK:
Govt plan to cut carbon emissions
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The government has announced a plan to cut carbon emissions by up to 33-percent by the year 2020, compared to the levels five years ago. The target is part of a climate change strategy and action agenda, which include raising energy efficiency and cutting coal-burning in power stations. This will involve changing the building energy code, promoting the use of green vehicles, and altering the fuel mix in power generation. The government said the action plan will involve different sectors of the community.
from RTHK On Internet - Instant News
The government has announced a plan to cut carbon emissions by up to 33-percent by the year 2020, compared to the levels five years ago. The target is part of a climate change strategy and action agenda, which include raising energy efficiency and cutting coal-burning in power stations. This will involve changing the building energy code, promoting the use of green vehicles, and altering the fuel mix in power generation. The government said the action plan will involve different sectors of the community.
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Ha ha ha, the " life expectancy " thing ( are you Donald Tsang ? ) is such a load of unequivocal bull5hit !!
The pollution has only been real bad for the last decade or so, if you take up smoking at the age of 70 you are hardly likely to die of cancer before you die of old age now are you ?
Even the government admit 1500 ( roughly ) die from pollution each year and 10s of thousands sick, yes, that 3 months of blue sky ( actually MAYBE 2 ) is obviously a good compensation for 9-10 months of toxic, heavy metal infested air.
Lets wait and see what life expectancy is like in 20 years, on second thoughts, I'll let you wait.
I'm outta here
The pollution has only been real bad for the last decade or so, if you take up smoking at the age of 70 you are hardly likely to die of cancer before you die of old age now are you ?
Even the government admit 1500 ( roughly ) die from pollution each year and 10s of thousands sick, yes, that 3 months of blue sky ( actually MAYBE 2 ) is obviously a good compensation for 9-10 months of toxic, heavy metal infested air.
Lets wait and see what life expectancy is like in 20 years, on second thoughts, I'll let you wait.
I'm outta here
Good post kluge - unfortunately there is all too often the attitude of "if you didn't like it then good riddance troublesome gweilo" which is head-in-the-sand dismissiveness at its best.
Selfish businessmen, myopic politicians and aggressive non-thinkers on PPRuNe won't change this new reality - HK is unfortunately killing its residents in its own (and its neighbours) filth.
Pollution = wealth. But as stated, like the wealthy on the Titanic, they still died.
My kid got sick in HK. We left, he is healthy and happy now.
So much more to life than material possessions and bank balances.
Selfish businessmen, myopic politicians and aggressive non-thinkers on PPRuNe won't change this new reality - HK is unfortunately killing its residents in its own (and its neighbours) filth.
Pollution = wealth. But as stated, like the wealthy on the Titanic, they still died.
My kid got sick in HK. We left, he is healthy and happy now.
So much more to life than material possessions and bank balances.
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cxlinedriver ; You may not know it but there are a number of Cathay pilots and other expat staff happily retired in Hongkong. For them the pleasures of life in the harbour city far outweigh your dreaded pollution and that same pollution is certainly not driving them away. Your bad language and attitude to the country that gainfully employs you makes me suspect there is more to your discontent than some dirty air every so often. Today at the airport it's CAVOK and blue blue sky so sit back and enjoy. Prince of Dzun.
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Prince,
While I am very happy to be employed by CX, it does not mean I will put my head in the sand with regard to the horrendous levels of pollution that Hong Kong experiences. Occasional dirty air? Are you serious? Have you ever lived anywhere else? LA looks like Switzerland compared with HKG. You can't be serious....
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While I am very happy to be employed by CX, it does not mean I will put my head in the sand with regard to the horrendous levels of pollution that Hong Kong experiences. Occasional dirty air? Are you serious? Have you ever lived anywhere else? LA looks like Switzerland compared with HKG. You can't be serious....
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