Pay Rise on the horizon..
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Pay Rise on the horizon..
Thought I would throw this out there, I spoke with a well connected individual today that indicated that a hefty pay-rise is close at hand, unfortunately, it may be coupled with a reduction of housing benefits to based individuals.
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A couple things,
First, a "pay-rise" with a reduction in housing is not a pay rise at all. It will most likely be a pay cut, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were a substantial one at that. WTF is wrong with this picture? We post a record semiannual profit and we're looking at a cut at housing????
Secondly, what is going on with these housing talks? The Company agrees to extend the housing to 25-years, and now we're talking a reduction in housing benefits? Why is the GC is tight-lipped about what is going on???
First, a "pay-rise" with a reduction in housing is not a pay rise at all. It will most likely be a pay cut, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were a substantial one at that. WTF is wrong with this picture? We post a record semiannual profit and we're looking at a cut at housing????
Secondly, what is going on with these housing talks? The Company agrees to extend the housing to 25-years, and now we're talking a reduction in housing benefits? Why is the GC is tight-lipped about what is going on???
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hefty pay-rise is close at hand, unfortunately, it may be coupled with a reduction of housing benefits to based individuals.
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hefty pay-rise is close at hand, unfortunately, it may be coupled with a reduction of housing benefits to based individuals.
What housing reduction to based individuals are we talking about? Based individuals do not receive housing. If this is what I think it entails we could be on a slippery slope , if we continue along this path we will truly regret this in the near future.
hefty pay-rise is close at hand, unfortunately, it may be coupled with a reduction of housing benefits to based individuals.
What housing reduction to based individuals are we talking about? Based individuals do not receive housing. If this is what I think it entails we could be on a slippery slope , if we continue along this path we will truly regret this in the near future.
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Based pilots would only be eligible for Base Housing rate (24K HKD) if they elect to return to HKG. I hope this is categorically false, and that the pay rise rumour is true!
Keep positive guys, but eyes wide open.
Keep positive guys, but eyes wide open.
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The message here are obvious. Not sure why we need a to complete a survey to show our thoughts on what should be in the pay talks.
The AOA must not negotiate anything other than a PAYRISE, no reductions in any other condition. if they spring that **** on us, WALK OUT!!!!!!
NO from management is not an acceptable answer this time............
The AOA must not negotiate anything other than a PAYRISE, no reductions in any other condition. if they spring that **** on us, WALK OUT!!!!!!
NO from management is not an acceptable answer this time............
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Does the company have to get approval from the AOA before they can impose the new rules? If yes, then I guess we don't need to worry about the new AFTL , and BPP, and etc.. because the AOA will never agree with them. I m much more relief now=D
I hate the idea of 3 men crew to Europe, the idea of avoiding BPP, the idea of reduced housing allowance. It seems to me all of that are happening now. Are we really still in control?
I hate the idea of 3 men crew to Europe, the idea of avoiding BPP, the idea of reduced housing allowance. It seems to me all of that are happening now. Are we really still in control?
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Just to play the devil's advocate here, to pay a base housing allowance for someone who voluntarily elects to return from a base is not unreasonable.
The whole point of the expat housing allowance was to entice people in coming to Hong Kong. If you voluntarily choose to come back why should you get the full housing allowance?? The main argument of having an expat package to begin with is to attract talent and experience. Well you took the offer and came to Hong Kong on full expat benefits, you then made another crucial decision and chose to be based. Just because you've gotten bored on a base, or realized that the taxes are taking a big chunk of your disposable income isn't really Cathay's fault. Many LEPs hail from Australia, Canada, UK, etc. if they take a base and in two years decide to return to Hong Kong, shouldn't they also then get full housing?
The whole point of the expat housing allowance was to entice people in coming to Hong Kong. If you voluntarily choose to come back why should you get the full housing allowance?? The main argument of having an expat package to begin with is to attract talent and experience. Well you took the offer and came to Hong Kong on full expat benefits, you then made another crucial decision and chose to be based. Just because you've gotten bored on a base, or realized that the taxes are taking a big chunk of your disposable income isn't really Cathay's fault. Many LEPs hail from Australia, Canada, UK, etc. if they take a base and in two years decide to return to Hong Kong, shouldn't they also then get full housing?
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Just to play devil’s advocate in the response. Most pilots coming off the bases do so to do a command that is only available if you return to Hong Kong. It is essentially a forced return to Hong Kong but if the company has its way, on reduced terms.
Just to play devil’s advocate in the response. Most pilots coming off the bases do so to do a command that is only available if you return to Hong Kong. It is essentially a forced return to Hong Kong but if the company has its way, on reduced terms.
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Here is a refreshing thought. If you want housing why don't you make a choice of leaving behind your family and friends and go and work for Ek. Rather than reducing the conditions of another fellow crew member.
Some of us take a basing for our children so that they can have a chance to bond with their grandparents and build their lives in a more healthy environment. Something which you take for granted!
So Flap 10, why don't you tell your fellow LEP to stop working on G days and stop trying to screw everyone by trying to make sense of a management
deception. Plus if they stop housing for the based guys no one will come back effectively blocking up the bases for the rest of us.
Let's face it a based pilot cost is zero for housing. Even if he moves back someone will take his place. Once housing goes the attack on cos will increase because Cx has no skin in the game.
After 10 years and 3% increase. Cx should rather give us a meaningful increase and no reduction of terms we have earned it!!!
Some of us take a basing for our children so that they can have a chance to bond with their grandparents and build their lives in a more healthy environment. Something which you take for granted!
So Flap 10, why don't you tell your fellow LEP to stop working on G days and stop trying to screw everyone by trying to make sense of a management
deception. Plus if they stop housing for the based guys no one will come back effectively blocking up the bases for the rest of us.
Let's face it a based pilot cost is zero for housing. Even if he moves back someone will take his place. Once housing goes the attack on cos will increase because Cx has no skin in the game.
After 10 years and 3% increase. Cx should rather give us a meaningful increase and no reduction of terms we have earned it!!!
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JUst to play devils advocate again, on most bases the pay scale is close to the package of the legacy carrier we compete against. So be it that command upgrades on bases with us will probably take as long as it does with them.
Can't have your early command and your base too.
Well......
Unless you work for nothing on the freighter.
Can't have your early command and your base too.
Well......
Unless you work for nothing on the freighter.
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Just another divide and conquer measure by management, pit one beneficiary against another - and you clowns will fall for it.
Little wonder why I dissuade my children from what once was a "profession".
Little wonder why I dissuade my children from what once was a "profession".
stillalbatross..........
You must be dreaming, Oz "B Scale" CN is about 30 to 50K behind the QF 330 CN Pay. "A Scale" is also behind, but very close.
JUst to play devils advocate again, on most bases the pay scale is close to the package of the legacy carrier we compete against
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The problem is that the rules keep on changing:
I was forced to join on a base, with a VETA contract, paying taxes in HK. Now we have on-shoring, have to pay taxes in Europe...
So in short, we have seen our salary being reduced by 30%
If you want to reduce the housing of ex-based crew, then you need to give them (and only them) a hefty pay-rise.
And why not reducing your housing by 70% to finance it? (but of course, in exchange, you can have your 20K for 25 years)
What do you think of that proposal? Probably the same as what we think about the initial proposal!
I was forced to join on a base, with a VETA contract, paying taxes in HK. Now we have on-shoring, have to pay taxes in Europe...
So in short, we have seen our salary being reduced by 30%
If you want to reduce the housing of ex-based crew, then you need to give them (and only them) a hefty pay-rise.
And why not reducing your housing by 70% to finance it? (but of course, in exchange, you can have your 20K for 25 years)
What do you think of that proposal? Probably the same as what we think about the initial proposal!