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And so, the girls with the largest testicles in Cathay City have another win:
CX management rollover at the thought of a sit-in at Cathay City. Ahhhh, diddums Charlie! Did the nasty lady say she was going to rip your conkers off?
Cathay Pacific said early this morning (Thursday, 25 March) that it had cancelled with immediate effect a recently announced guideline relating to arrangements for cabin crew to swap flights with colleagues.
The company has been in discussion on the issue with the Flight Attendants Union (FAU) over the last two days. The talks have not yet reached any conclusion.
General Manager Inflight Services Charlie Stewart-Cox issued a Breaking News alert to the crew community which read as follows:
“After 12 hours of talks on the swapping issue over the last two days with the FAU, we have unfortunately not been able to reach a conclusion at this stage. This is disappointing.
“In the meantime, I am issuing this Breaking News to let you know that the company has cancelled and will not reintroduce the guideline related to swapping below the 70 hours minimum as published on 15 March.
“We have made this decision because we want to reassure you that we have heard the concerns and the importance you placed on this particular issue.
“This is one of the solutions we have been discussing with the FAU over the past two days. Our talks with them continued into the early hours of this morning, and we were willing to continue to obtain a result that would benefit the crew community. We are prepared to continue our discussions with them at a later date.”
The company has been in discussion on the issue with the Flight Attendants Union (FAU) over the last two days. The talks have not yet reached any conclusion.
General Manager Inflight Services Charlie Stewart-Cox issued a Breaking News alert to the crew community which read as follows:
“After 12 hours of talks on the swapping issue over the last two days with the FAU, we have unfortunately not been able to reach a conclusion at this stage. This is disappointing.
“In the meantime, I am issuing this Breaking News to let you know that the company has cancelled and will not reintroduce the guideline related to swapping below the 70 hours minimum as published on 15 March.
“We have made this decision because we want to reassure you that we have heard the concerns and the importance you placed on this particular issue.
“This is one of the solutions we have been discussing with the FAU over the past two days. Our talks with them continued into the early hours of this morning, and we were willing to continue to obtain a result that would benefit the crew community. We are prepared to continue our discussions with them at a later date.”
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Well done to the girls on getting yet another win!
Right now I am ashamed to call myself Cockpit Crew :-( I think I shall throw on a skirt and become Cabin Crew, that way I know I will grow some bigger balls!
Shame on us guys at CX
Right now I am ashamed to call myself Cockpit Crew :-( I think I shall throw on a skirt and become Cabin Crew, that way I know I will grow some bigger balls!
Shame on us guys at CX
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Firstly, the FAU is worried that this is just the thin edge of the wedge, (good call I say!) and that all Euro trips will drop to 48hrs rest.
Secondly, just because we only get 24hrs, doesn't mean they should. What sometimes mitigates the jet lag effect for us is having based crew, when a common-sense captain can use the different acclimatisations to manage the sleep.
Whilst I'm sure you've seen a few slackers in the cabin that don't pull their weight (more senior rather than junior I'd guess), most of the girls need the extra night downroute. At least we have the sanctuary of the cockpit & "controlled rest". They are on their feet for most of the flight, and when they're not in the bunk, they are at the beckon-call of the punters.
Secondly, just because we only get 24hrs, doesn't mean they should. What sometimes mitigates the jet lag effect for us is having based crew, when a common-sense captain can use the different acclimatisations to manage the sleep.
Whilst I'm sure you've seen a few slackers in the cabin that don't pull their weight (more senior rather than junior I'd guess), most of the girls need the extra night downroute. At least we have the sanctuary of the cockpit & "controlled rest". They are on their feet for most of the flight, and when they're not in the bunk, they are at the beckon-call of the punters.
Guys, next time please try to help the CA when you start you rest @10000' until their rest time. U'll have a "good" rest in hotel.
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Short memories boys.
When Thick Ric asked for the help of the cockpit crew to do 4 day patterns until more crew were trained on the 340 the proposed time frame was 3 months.
Then we were going back to the 5 day Europe, that was 1995.
Of course, seeing as we were losing a day off down route we would get 654 iso 543 after the pattern. That's right, 6 days off after each long haul, G, no O.
We have given up on all our COS so the cabin crew should stand firm. This will most definitely be the thin end of the wedge.
Only losers use the argument that because I didn't stand up for my contract they should have theirs reduced.
When Thick Ric asked for the help of the cockpit crew to do 4 day patterns until more crew were trained on the 340 the proposed time frame was 3 months.
Then we were going back to the 5 day Europe, that was 1995.
Of course, seeing as we were losing a day off down route we would get 654 iso 543 after the pattern. That's right, 6 days off after each long haul, G, no O.
We have given up on all our COS so the cabin crew should stand firm. This will most definitely be the thin end of the wedge.
Only losers use the argument that because I didn't stand up for my contract they should have theirs reduced.
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Despite the backdown, the FAU this afternoon are still doing a protest outside CX City. There are police, traffic people as well as TV station vehicles scattered around in preparation. A big red banner has been put up and Findlay is around.
Good job FAU!
Good job FAU!
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I'll be there in my 911 TURBO brill cream in my hair gold chains and a trailer full of hello kitty suit cases.
That's how I roll
Did you guys know that the Air Force make the best pilots? When you fly with me you'll learn that real quick!
Did you know that I was in the Air Force? Sorry just checking in case I never told you the first 17 times .......
That's how I roll
Did you guys know that the Air Force make the best pilots? When you fly with me you'll learn that real quick!
Did you know that I was in the Air Force? Sorry just checking in case I never told you the first 17 times .......
G'day Toss,
I was just having a look at your website and am thinking about joining. I was wondering though which one of those extra handsome gents in the pictures is you? None seem to be handsome enough so I am puzzled!
Fond regards,
BH.
P.S. Didn't ever drive B1-11s in the mighty Airforce did ya?
I was just having a look at your website and am thinking about joining. I was wondering though which one of those extra handsome gents in the pictures is you? None seem to be handsome enough so I am puzzled!
Fond regards,
BH.
P.S. Didn't ever drive B1-11s in the mighty Airforce did ya?
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CTP,
is it true the rumour that you and TT actually attended the same catholic boy's preparatory school, Rimstone and Winkels, although in different era's? But when it came to the crunch you were a generous giver and TT was not.
Suggesting why TT might like to take so much from the ladies down at The Gay Bar at Cathay City on a Friday night, before going home to strum his guitar strings....
Yours in Wonderment,
N1 Vibes
is it true the rumour that you and TT actually attended the same catholic boy's preparatory school, Rimstone and Winkels, although in different era's? But when it came to the crunch you were a generous giver and TT was not.
Suggesting why TT might like to take so much from the ladies down at The Gay Bar at Cathay City on a Friday night, before going home to strum his guitar strings....
Yours in Wonderment,
N1 Vibes
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Of course the reaction to the cabin crew swapping guidelines issue was the big news story of the week, though we also received an important honour – the Total Caring Award – that everyone in the Cathay Pacific team should feel proud of.
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FAU's big balls
FAU has much bigger balls than the AOA will ever have. Already talks in todays paper (SCMP) of cabin crew strike. They just dont F*** around with "talks about talks" etc. They threatten with a strike right away. Take notes ladies
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CRM was alive and well in the Air Force long before it even had a name in the airlines. Go on a ten-hour anti-submarine patrol, or a live Search and Rescue mission, with an Orion crew and you will see CRM in practice, with the minimum of fuss.
Of course, the venerable Tosser did not have the singular advantage of a Maritime upbringing, as he was on Caribous. He did, however, fly with hairy flight engineers who should have knocked some sense into him.
CRM was alive and well in the Air Force long before it even had a name in the airlines. Go on a ten-hour anti-submarine patrol, or a live Search and Rescue mission, with an Orion crew and you will see CRM in practice, with the minimum of fuss.
Of course, the venerable Tosser did not have the singular advantage of a Maritime upbringing, as he was on Caribous. He did, however, fly with hairy flight engineers who should have knocked some sense into him.
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coolio what's your exact point?
What's going on here is a completely unwarranted threat to withdraw labour. Why would they go on strike? What is it they want? Watch the Utube video of Becky and you will be no wiser. Bizarre bizarre bizarre!
They apparently require the right to work 20 hours but be paid for 70 hours whilst their friends fly their other 50 hours on overtime - CX thus paying twice for 50 hours with most of it at overtime rates - do you think that's OK?
The mere threat of strike action will result in huge numbers of cancelled bookings so rather than support these militants surely you should try and dissuade them from this suicidal plot or don't you care about job security - yes job security which unbelievably is one of the reasons they are quoting for taking strike action - go figure!
What's going on here is a completely unwarranted threat to withdraw labour. Why would they go on strike? What is it they want? Watch the Utube video of Becky and you will be no wiser. Bizarre bizarre bizarre!
They apparently require the right to work 20 hours but be paid for 70 hours whilst their friends fly their other 50 hours on overtime - CX thus paying twice for 50 hours with most of it at overtime rates - do you think that's OK?
The mere threat of strike action will result in huge numbers of cancelled bookings so rather than support these militants surely you should try and dissuade them from this suicidal plot or don't you care about job security - yes job security which unbelievably is one of the reasons they are quoting for taking strike action - go figure!
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Not about swapping
It's really about the abuses the company continues to place on it's front line employees. The F/A's have simply had enough!
I am quite disappointed in our AOA as they continue to do nothing except to write letters and negotiate with these criminals. Yes, two of our managers had to speak to the police recently about breaking the law!
Things are coming to a head and I'll say it again, we should join them! We won't though and our GC will continue to watch our T&C's errode and our jobs be given away etc etc etc...
Coming soon to a theatre near you, AFTL's and RP10. "We need to have variations to the AFTL's to fly HKG-ANC-ORD-AMS-DXB-HKG"! We should say no but the AOA will sign off on this with more false promises. They will then write a letter after the fact protesting over what they have just signed.
Becky might be looney but so is that Findlay character.
I am quite disappointed in our AOA as they continue to do nothing except to write letters and negotiate with these criminals. Yes, two of our managers had to speak to the police recently about breaking the law!
Things are coming to a head and I'll say it again, we should join them! We won't though and our GC will continue to watch our T&C's errode and our jobs be given away etc etc etc...
Coming soon to a theatre near you, AFTL's and RP10. "We need to have variations to the AFTL's to fly HKG-ANC-ORD-AMS-DXB-HKG"! We should say no but the AOA will sign off on this with more false promises. They will then write a letter after the fact protesting over what they have just signed.
Becky might be looney but so is that Findlay character.
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Shame on Cathay pacific managment
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"I am quite disappointed in our AOA as they continue to do nothing except to write letters and negotiate with these criminals. Yes, two of our managers had to speak to the police recently about breaking the law"
There is a world of difference between being interviewed by the police and charged with an offence. Then of course there is a universe of difference between being charged and convicted. For you to attach the label "criminal" there would have to be a conviction. I think the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty" applies.
Still you may learn all about these silly and tiresome legal phrases should one or both of these 2 gentleman decide to issue proceedings against pprune for libel. I am sure pprune will protect your true identity for a while at least.
There is a world of difference between being interviewed by the police and charged with an offence. Then of course there is a universe of difference between being charged and convicted. For you to attach the label "criminal" there would have to be a conviction. I think the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty" applies.
Still you may learn all about these silly and tiresome legal phrases should one or both of these 2 gentleman decide to issue proceedings against pprune for libel. I am sure pprune will protect your true identity for a while at least.
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747-8 my exact point is - I dont care what the FAU is fighting for, as a matter of fact I think the swapping for 20 hours is not right. my point is when the FAU get pushed they are not affraid to push back. we could learn allot from this approach to Cathay management. now go back and keep worrying about your job.