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You Scruffy Bu**ers!

Old 31st Dec 2009, 12:03
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You Scruffy Bu**ers!

Nice to see that at the end of a difficult year with many of us taking unpaid leave we are left with a NTC telling us to smarten up! Whilst (as an old fart) I agree with the sentiment the timing could be better.

Happy New Year chaps!
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 12:41
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Well give me something to be pride of Henry. Those 20 cent uniform wings, Russian generals cap or the Mong Kok trousers is not much to be proud of.

As for the management team, cant be to proud of a leadership that spend most of the year in court fighting their employees.

Happy New Year to the rest of my colleagues, at all levels, that stayed professional during all of this the last year.
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 13:03
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Get WW Chan back on board as tailors and that would be a start.

As for the Kelloggs Cornflake packet wings
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 14:27
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All that aside....Happy New Year one and all.....here is to 2010
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 15:39
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How dare you Henry. You god bothering tosser. You give us some respect and we shall return the favour!
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 16:21
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Next thing u'll see implemented in FCOM3 is the EXACT order to put ur uniform on starting from ur undies. This will be checked during ur RT/PC and will be graded on. Failure to achieve the "Cathay Standard" will result in a meeting with your fleet training manager and additional training will be provided.

Being a "Captain's Airline", of course the captain knows best about whether his F/O's need to wear a jacket or not, and as previously testified, S/O's are simply not capable of doing much of anything so who cares about how they feel. A new QRH checklist will be created for all captains to determine whether they should wear a jacket themselves.This is neccessary cause we're not professionals in determining whether it's cold enough for us to put on a jacket or not as an individual and would require some sort of standard across the company.

And of course, if you go sick because your captain wasn't wearing a jacket and hence you weren't, you should consult your physician whether or not to consider a career change.
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 16:55
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henry would have been proud to the an S/O at dispatch the other night jacket all buttoned up and CAP ON while checking the Notams..... As for me, what's a jacket and what is a Cap??? I thought a cap was something you did to my pay........
Old 31st Dec 2009, 17:24
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Very rarely do I agree with HC. But all he is asking us to do is wear the uniform that CX provides. Just do it.
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 19:08
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I suspect many of us agree with the sentiment of the message but surely a positive message rather than an implied bollocking would be more appropriate (certainly appreciated) at this time of year.
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 19:56
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Honestly I wear the uniform out of self-pride, not because someone in management tells me to do so (edited for PWP).

Why I wear my hat; well, it’s a personal thing. If the F/O or S/O do not wear a hat or jacket, I personally don’t care. I will not tell them to wear a hat or jacket. We can be from different bases and the F/O out of HKG in the summer may have it in the closet while an ANC Capt has his on year round.

I wear my uniform out of pride. No, I am no a vain person (quite ugly perhaps, depending on how many drinks you have had) but I like to look professional or smart as some may call it.

It is like kids in boarding school, you have a set uniform but you need to accessorize. I see kids accessorizing with different things here in HKG and it defines them.

I see pilots with some great looking hats; believe me some great looking hats. The ones you can wear your headset over and what some guys do to get them this way is remarkable. To me, have fun with the hats if you so choose?

I am a Captain, I am not you Father nor management and I will not dictate to you on how to wear you uniform, it is a personal thing but I must say” be proud of your profession”. Many people have died in our profession and we must keep it as professional as possible and we must look the part.

We make the profession look easy but we are professionals. When we make it look easy, people think that anyone can do it.

Management over the year have taken the professionalism out of our job for industrial reasons and ranked us as merely bus drivers and Capt “Sully” Sullenberger has demonstrated just the opposite.

I am not the uniform police in CX but all I am saying is: if you want to be respected, look respectable, be proud of your uniform and if someone says you are just a mere pilot or bus driver, punch the fcuker in the face.

I broke one of my rules "PWP", posting while pissed so hence the mistakes.

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Old 31st Dec 2009, 20:08
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Can anyone confirm that someone in Flight Operations 'management' has an interest in 'Wonderful (!) Tailor', that produced these dreadful uniforms after the abrupt termination of CX's relationship with WW Chan?

No doubt 'Angel', our GMF, had a wonderful time over Christmas composing this gem of a NTC. A Happy New Year to him too and may his 'god' go with him.
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 23:47
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I agree that all wearing hats is a nice idea but how exactly do based FOs and HKG Capts or vica versa co-ordinate their wardrobe? E.g. if the Capt is HK based (no jacket) and the FO is based coming to HK with his jacket what is the FO suppose to do? Fold up his jacket and stuff it in his bag so that it looks like s&*t the next time he wears it?
On a separate note if we are to be proud of our profession and uniform why do we not show our profession (wings) on our shirts???
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 00:05
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I see the children are revolting again.

You have all taken the "queens shilling" just wear the uniform and stop bleating. You can all wear your designer kit when out on the town in Wan Chai. If you cannot work out how to carry your jacket without stuffing it in a bag then there is NO hope.


You obviously do not read your Line Check report!

However, a return to WW Chan would be great.
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 01:16
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you know PPRuNe can be quite a handy source of good info................................

But not this crap.....

Just wear the damn uniform CX pay you to wear, if you want to look like crap then go fly rubber dog shi* for some third world outfit.

have some pride for god's sake.
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 01:20
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Just call in (Toss Parker) the resident fashionista!! He's the new uniform police man so I'm told! It's a shame no one can police him when he turns up in the bar looking like Joseph Fritzel fresh out of the dungeon!

Nice Gold Chain!
Nice Canairy Yellow Skivvy!
Nice Stone Washed Jeans from 1983!
Nice Cow Boy Boots!

"Yeah back when I was in the Airforce this is how we pulled the chicks ...just watch and learn young fella uncle Tossco will teach you a trick or two"

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Old 1st Jan 2010, 01:28
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Outstanding post, Maple Leafs. Not much else needed to be said...
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 03:29
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8888. You call Maple Leaf's post 'good'...?! If a lack of eloquence and poor grammar is your definition of 'good', then yes, your right. Ps. Maple Leaf. How exactly do you define' reading the Bible too much'...?
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 03:57
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"then yes, YOU'RE right"

Pot calling the kettle black!
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 04:12
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Always happy to be humble...!
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 04:44
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For those of you wondering whether to take a jacket or not....

Vol 1 excerpt...

c. All crew members should have the uniform jacket available to take on a flying pattern, unless they have established with the Commander that jackets are not required. However, crew members may assume that jackets are not required on regional patterns from Hong Kong between the months of April and September inclusive.

That means that unless you are the Captain, then you take your jacket with you... all the time, unless its the HKG summer and you are on a regional pattern. Surely it's not that difficult to understand.

I am very pleasantly surprised by how many of our colleagues agree with HC's intent, if not the content of his message!

I doubt very much much that his religious beliefs have anything to do with this message.
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