Message for the KA boys
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A few months ago I reported that the KA CEO and the General Manager ISD were going to be replaced. This has been accomplished.
I reported that there was an ongoing project to eventually wipe out the fleet at Dragonair. For those who have rambled in disbelief on this forum and who are still in self-denial, read the Fleet Profile section of the August Interim report 2009.
Rest assured though, that at the end of the day you will be offered a position with Cathay Pacific Airways, same rank and fleet, albeit at the bottom of the CX Aircrew Officer seniority list. We know the disgruntlement will diminish over time as you will realize that you will still be getting paid on the 26th of each month, on similar conditions and doing the same job. We do not expect much, if any, attrition.
Placing pilots on the bottom of the CX Aircrew Seniority list is an established practice that we have carried out on numerous occasions, most recently with the ASL pilot group and with the KA pilots who chose to join Cathay Pacific. It is convenient for us to do and does not present us with any legal obstacles.
Have a nice weekend.
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I reported that there was an ongoing project to eventually wipe out the fleet at Dragonair. For those who have rambled in disbelief on this forum and who are still in self-denial, read the Fleet Profile section of the August Interim report 2009.
Rest assured though, that at the end of the day you will be offered a position with Cathay Pacific Airways, same rank and fleet, albeit at the bottom of the CX Aircrew Officer seniority list. We know the disgruntlement will diminish over time as you will realize that you will still be getting paid on the 26th of each month, on similar conditions and doing the same job. We do not expect much, if any, attrition.
Placing pilots on the bottom of the CX Aircrew Seniority list is an established practice that we have carried out on numerous occasions, most recently with the ASL pilot group and with the KA pilots who chose to join Cathay Pacific. It is convenient for us to do and does not present us with any legal obstacles.
Have a nice weekend.
Integration Manager
Not to worry
Not to worry hongkongfooey 
The market is picking up. Last I heard, 25 of the boys have had interviews for a contract Downunder. Also, a number of others are applying for varying jobs in the region, some very close to home here :ok
You can see what CX are doing at present to KA. Building up runs to take over later. Dragon don't need these passenger, we need to make our numbers look better, so we'll put them on our planes.
As they say, everything is temporary
The market is picking up. Last I heard, 25 of the boys have had interviews for a contract Downunder. Also, a number of others are applying for varying jobs in the region, some very close to home here :ok
You can see what CX are doing at present to KA. Building up runs to take over later. Dragon don't need these passenger, we need to make our numbers look better, so we'll put them on our planes.
As they say, everything is temporary
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Interegationmanager is right (to a point, see later). And don't it make us mad!!
Take a look at the interim report recently put out and the summary of capacity by The Pratt, who is Chairman;
"...Cx pax fleet 11% reduction in capacity and CX Cargo 8% reduction. KA pax fleet 13% reduction in capacity..."..............erm what about the 100% reduction in capacity of the KA Cargo fleet????
Wishing, wanting and table thumping will not bring this airline back!
Plan your exit strategy.
Interdiscombobulationmanager is wrong in as much as there will be an exodus, and it will happen when the growth starts to happen, at the time pilots are going to be needed and CX wants them "back on board".
Damn shame
Take a look at the interim report recently put out and the summary of capacity by The Pratt, who is Chairman;
"...Cx pax fleet 11% reduction in capacity and CX Cargo 8% reduction. KA pax fleet 13% reduction in capacity..."..............erm what about the 100% reduction in capacity of the KA Cargo fleet????
Wishing, wanting and table thumping will not bring this airline back!
Plan your exit strategy.
Interdiscombobulationmanager is wrong in as much as there will be an exodus, and it will happen when the growth starts to happen, at the time pilots are going to be needed and CX wants them "back on board".
Damn shame
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Not quite right IM.
I'm surprised at you IM for not getting it quite right. When the KA 330 fleet is absorbed into the world's largest 330 fleet, for those "synergies", then all KA pilots (inc current 320) will be offered CX 'bus at the bottom of the seniority.
Not the same rank initially either, you have forgotten that CX does not entertain DECs. Just like the KArgo boys the KA captains will be offered First Officer (Rapid Command), only one of them subsequently failed the CX 400 command remember. They do have to be seen wearing 3 bars for a time and then welcomed as a new CX Captain in the newsletters.
Mindful of the need to keep pilots for the upturn then the KA FOs who could not bear to join the bottom of our seniority with no command prospect will have the carrot of a 320 command to replace those who transfer. This will also be used to placate some current CX FOs who will be allowed to bid for command at the new CXpress 320 operation.
The final liquidation of an asset that cost billions is nigh.
Long live Air China.
Not the same rank initially either, you have forgotten that CX does not entertain DECs. Just like the KArgo boys the KA captains will be offered First Officer (Rapid Command), only one of them subsequently failed the CX 400 command remember. They do have to be seen wearing 3 bars for a time and then welcomed as a new CX Captain in the newsletters.
Mindful of the need to keep pilots for the upturn then the KA FOs who could not bear to join the bottom of our seniority with no command prospect will have the carrot of a 320 command to replace those who transfer. This will also be used to placate some current CX FOs who will be allowed to bid for command at the new CXpress 320 operation.
The final liquidation of an asset that cost billions is nigh.
Long live Air China.
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Pretty well on the money fly74, realistically there are no other practical ways of jamming these two operations together.
But when it's all said and done, you've really got to wonder why CX even brought KA in the first place. Perhaps it was a small (expensive) step in a grander plan, but I think it hasn't worked out the way it may have originally been envisaged. And now the increasing tie up with Air China means there are larger forms of aquatic life to fry.
R.I.P KA, always the plaything of too many disinterested owners.
But when it's all said and done, you've really got to wonder why CX even brought KA in the first place. Perhaps it was a small (expensive) step in a grander plan, but I think it hasn't worked out the way it may have originally been envisaged. And now the increasing tie up with Air China means there are larger forms of aquatic life to fry.
R.I.P KA, always the plaything of too many disinterested owners.
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Well.............I only came for the money so I guess if they wanna hump me like some dirty old whore I can't complain as long as they pay. Now......will that be French, Spanish, missionary or Greek?, and no rough stuff!!!! 
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A few friends of mine in the financial community are tired of being dragged off KA Business Class and being placed on a CX PVG or PEK service next door. Same thing happened on the freighter. Steal demand for KA and prop up CX.
They asked the serious question, if CX is hell bent on destroying KA, when are they going to officially write down their investment ?
Air China is a positive for KA. The third facade competitor in the mainland that can be expanded rapidly with any future demand or political expedience. Air China wet leases anyone? KA is a significantly less expensive operation than CX.
They asked the serious question, if CX is hell bent on destroying KA, when are they going to officially write down their investment ?
Air China is a positive for KA. The third facade competitor in the mainland that can be expanded rapidly with any future demand or political expedience. Air China wet leases anyone? KA is a significantly less expensive operation than CX.
