Punishment for not reciting "apothegm"
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Yes, oh wise one!
Master 828a, please give me the benefit of your wisdom.
By the way, since you're retired why not get a life. Do you still miss being called Captain? So sad, so sad!
By the way, since you're retired why not get a life. Do you still miss being called Captain? So sad, so sad!
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Five Green;
You were right to pick me up on that grammatical typing error which I have now corrected. It didn't seem to mean anying to CXFO as it appears he got the message OK.
828a.
You were right to pick me up on that grammatical typing error which I have now corrected. It didn't seem to mean anying to CXFO as it appears he got the message OK.
828a.
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Dear HKA management.
Just try it. Just try to punish me for not knowing the apothegm, and watch me ground the aircraft full of passengers on my next Phuket flight.
If i get personally threatened again my next move is to inflict maximum financial damage to this pathetic airline. I will have no hesitation. Suddenly fall ill. Try and sack me for not commanding an aircraft when I am ill and expect a huge lawsuit with the CAD giving me full support. Now that was worth the threats wasnt it assholes.
Just try it. Just try to punish me for not knowing the apothegm, and watch me ground the aircraft full of passengers on my next Phuket flight.
If i get personally threatened again my next move is to inflict maximum financial damage to this pathetic airline. I will have no hesitation. Suddenly fall ill. Try and sack me for not commanding an aircraft when I am ill and expect a huge lawsuit with the CAD giving me full support. Now that was worth the threats wasnt it assholes.
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I expect the Media saturation that would happen (I guarantee it) 
if the CAD let something like that happen, would open up a can of worms for them. It would be too embarrassing for the CAD if they just let something like that happen.
It is a bit like if a person got fired for refusing to fly an aircraft with a defect that grounds it.
Surely the CAD would not allow such a thing to happen without a full investigation and HUGE penalty to the company....... would it?
If they did nothing it sends the wrong message. When safety is involved the CAD MUST NEVER let the company dictate like that.
if the CAD let something like that happen, would open up a can of worms for them. It would be too embarrassing for the CAD if they just let something like that happen.It is a bit like if a person got fired for refusing to fly an aircraft with a defect that grounds it.
Surely the CAD would not allow such a thing to happen without a full investigation and HUGE penalty to the company....... would it? If they did nothing it sends the wrong message. When safety is involved the CAD MUST NEVER let the company dictate like that.
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George Orwell
I can not believe what I a reading here. Is this for real? People, how can anyone run a company like this, how can any sane person work under these circumstances - surely you all jest?
Does George Orwell write Policy and Manuals for you guys by any chance?
BTW I could hardly understand the c rap that was written and what bearing does it have on an airline company? Who would entertain taking this seriously?
Scary stuff!
ON ON. You poor b astards
Does George Orwell write Policy and Manuals for you guys by any chance?
BTW I could hardly understand the c rap that was written and what bearing does it have on an airline company? Who would entertain taking this seriously?
Scary stuff!
ON ON. You poor b astards
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Dear Prime Minister
Bob, you're in trouble. 828a isn't going to be happy with your ignorance!
Read his response to my first post.
Also, pass on my love to Blanche.
Read his response to my first post.
Also, pass on my love to Blanche.
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Bob Hawke
"..how can any sane person work under these circumstances.."
unfortunately not many carriers are hiring at the moment.even though they are the lowest paid 737 drivers in the world they dont really have much of a choice.
there is only a handful of people who remain there on their own accord...and out of these people only one kiwi (the dutch maiden) who has her head so far up the rear end of the singas.she is known for causing a stir in the nz aviation scene a few years back.
"..how can any sane person work under these circumstances.."
unfortunately not many carriers are hiring at the moment.even though they are the lowest paid 737 drivers in the world they dont really have much of a choice.
there is only a handful of people who remain there on their own accord...and out of these people only one kiwi (the dutch maiden) who has her head so far up the rear end of the singas.she is known for causing a stir in the nz aviation scene a few years back.
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Meaningless Bullsh*t - Explanatory Memo required
Drivel like this issued by management is just tripe and nothing more than a sticky plaster approach towards a much greater internal problem.
I think it would be great fun to get management to stand up and explain what each of the silly clauses mean. But it won't happen, because management don't really know what it means and will certainly not risk FACE but attempting to bumble through incoherent explanations.
Another example of Hong Kong managemnt imposing a Do as I say, not as I do dictat.
I think it would be great fun to get management to stand up and explain what each of the silly clauses mean. But it won't happen, because management don't really know what it means and will certainly not risk FACE but attempting to bumble through incoherent explanations.
Another example of Hong Kong managemnt imposing a Do as I say, not as I do dictat.
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The original...
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8333/apothegm.jpg
The suggested response...
(for those that can't read Chinese, tilt your head 90 degrees)
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1228/response.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8333/apothegm.jpg
The suggested response...
(for those that can't read Chinese, tilt your head 90 degrees)
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1228/response.jpg
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Intelligentpilot, with all due respect, if the CAD takes punitive action over someone trying to take off on the taxiway, dont expect too support much over you being sacked for going sick. I sympathise, but dont expect them to "pull out all stops."
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"intelligentpilot
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Posts: 13 Dear HKA management.
Just try it. Just try to punish me for not knowing the apothegm, and watch me ground the aircraft full of passengers on my next Phuket flight.
If i get personally threatened again my next move is to inflict maximum financial damage to this pathetic airline. I will have no hesitation. Suddenly fall ill. Try and sack me for not commanding an aircraft when I am ill and expect a huge lawsuit with the CAD giving me full support. Now that was worth the threats wasnt it assholes.""
!!!!!!!!!
As I have already said on post number 12 of this thread, I believe this apothegm is good.
What airline needs disloyal and treacherous pilots such as the above quoted “intelligentpilot” appears to be.
Management are on the right track on this one and I hope they “stick to their guns”
GT
"intelligentpilot
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Posts: 13 Dear HKA management.
Just try it. Just try to punish me for not knowing the apothegm, and watch me ground the aircraft full of passengers on my next Phuket flight.
If i get personally threatened again my next move is to inflict maximum financial damage to this pathetic airline. I will have no hesitation. Suddenly fall ill. Try and sack me for not commanding an aircraft when I am ill and expect a huge lawsuit with the CAD giving me full support. Now that was worth the threats wasnt it assholes.""
!!!!!!!!!
As I have already said on post number 12 of this thread, I believe this apothegm is good.
What airline needs disloyal and treacherous pilots such as the above quoted “intelligentpilot” appears to be.
Management are on the right track on this one and I hope they “stick to their guns”
GT
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Learn company creed or else, airlines warn staff
Simon Parry
Jun 02, 2009
Pilots and flight attendants with Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express have been ordered to memorise a lengthy creed about company values and threatened with punishment if they are unable to recite it in full.
The 10-line creed - described in a memo to staff as an "apophthegm", meaning a short, pithy and instructive saying - was circulated in English and Chinese a fortnight ago with a warning that random spot checks would be conducted by managers this month to make sure everyone had learned it.
Although apophthegms are by definition brief, the 68-word one circulated to all staff at the sister airlines is three words longer than the Christian Church's Lord's Prayer, and contains some even denser and more archaic phraseology.
Among its tougher-to-memorise lines are "Perseverance is the rule to sturdy progress", "Diligence leads research to accession of knowledge", "Careful recipe is the best medicine to health" and "Kindliness to youth endows the superior with virtue".
In an accompanying memo sent to all staff, employees were told to "study the following apophthegm thoroughly and apply it in daily life".
"All staff should keep firmly in mind the apophthegm," it says.
"Human resources department will follow up with the colleagues regarding on the practice of apophthegm after two to three weeks and management will conduct the random spot check after a month ... please note that punishment will be given to those who could not recite the apophthegm."
The apophthegm is understood to have been borrowed from one used at Hainan Airlines, the mainland airline whose parent company is a majority shareholder in Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express.
A pilot with one of the two airlines, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: "Everyone is astounded by this instruction. It isn't as if we haven't got more important things to worry about.
"Flight attendants have been going around with the apophthegm written out on cards since the memo went out, trying their best to learn it whenever they get a free minute. I've seen them studying it on the buses on their way to work.
"They are very worried because no one has said what the punishment will be for not memorising it. Cabin crew are worried that it might be used as a way to get rid of staff [who] management don't want to keep on."
A flight attendant, who also asked not to be named, said: "It is very insulting. It's like being back in primary school. Do they think that threatening us with punishment is really the way to get the best out of employees?"
Asked about the apophthegm, Shirley Kwok, product manager for Hong Kong Express, declined to say who wrote it or what the intention was behind ordering staff to memorise it. "We are not able to comment on internal company policy," she said. She declined to say what punishment would be given to employees who failed to memorise the apophthegm, saying the memo was intended only for "internal colleagues".
John Findlay, general secretary of the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association, said: "When I first heard about this I thought it was a joke. When I discovered it was true I was incredulous. I have never heard of any reputable airline ordering staff to recite corporate culture words at the risk of being punished if not able to do so."
Simon Parry
Jun 02, 2009
Pilots and flight attendants with Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express have been ordered to memorise a lengthy creed about company values and threatened with punishment if they are unable to recite it in full.
The 10-line creed - described in a memo to staff as an "apophthegm", meaning a short, pithy and instructive saying - was circulated in English and Chinese a fortnight ago with a warning that random spot checks would be conducted by managers this month to make sure everyone had learned it.
Although apophthegms are by definition brief, the 68-word one circulated to all staff at the sister airlines is three words longer than the Christian Church's Lord's Prayer, and contains some even denser and more archaic phraseology.
Among its tougher-to-memorise lines are "Perseverance is the rule to sturdy progress", "Diligence leads research to accession of knowledge", "Careful recipe is the best medicine to health" and "Kindliness to youth endows the superior with virtue".
In an accompanying memo sent to all staff, employees were told to "study the following apophthegm thoroughly and apply it in daily life".
"All staff should keep firmly in mind the apophthegm," it says.
"Human resources department will follow up with the colleagues regarding on the practice of apophthegm after two to three weeks and management will conduct the random spot check after a month ... please note that punishment will be given to those who could not recite the apophthegm."
The apophthegm is understood to have been borrowed from one used at Hainan Airlines, the mainland airline whose parent company is a majority shareholder in Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express.
A pilot with one of the two airlines, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: "Everyone is astounded by this instruction. It isn't as if we haven't got more important things to worry about.
"Flight attendants have been going around with the apophthegm written out on cards since the memo went out, trying their best to learn it whenever they get a free minute. I've seen them studying it on the buses on their way to work.
"They are very worried because no one has said what the punishment will be for not memorising it. Cabin crew are worried that it might be used as a way to get rid of staff [who] management don't want to keep on."
A flight attendant, who also asked not to be named, said: "It is very insulting. It's like being back in primary school. Do they think that threatening us with punishment is really the way to get the best out of employees?"
Asked about the apophthegm, Shirley Kwok, product manager for Hong Kong Express, declined to say who wrote it or what the intention was behind ordering staff to memorise it. "We are not able to comment on internal company policy," she said. She declined to say what punishment would be given to employees who failed to memorise the apophthegm, saying the memo was intended only for "internal colleagues".
John Findlay, general secretary of the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association, said: "When I first heard about this I thought it was a joke. When I discovered it was true I was incredulous. I have never heard of any reputable airline ordering staff to recite corporate culture words at the risk of being punished if not able to do so."
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Guava Tree,
can you please go and reread the article and quote where the journalist even insinuates let alone directly states that crews are too stupid to memorise the crap mentioned?
can you please go and reread the article and quote where the journalist even insinuates let alone directly states that crews are too stupid to memorise the crap mentioned?
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John Findlay, general secretary of the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association, said: "When I first heard about this I thought it was a joke.