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"proficient in our operation especially when you consider the diverse high threat environment we operate in e.g. weather, terrain and ATC."
As apposed to most other carriers whose LOSA report indicates:
"proficient in our operation especially when you consider the diverse high threat environment we operate in e.g. weather, terrain and ATC."
As apposed to most other carriers whose LOSA report indicates:
"proficient in our operation especially when you consider the diverse high threat environment we operate in e.g. weather, terrain and ATC."
oicur12
If you honestly believe that most other carriers LOSA report includes the same statement, care to share it with us and which ones they were? As I have said the intent of the original statement wasn’t to imply we are more competent than other airlines. It was to imply we were just as competent as other well run and operated airlines. Do you dispute this?
If you honestly believe that most other carriers LOSA report includes the same statement, care to share it with us and which ones they were? As I have said the intent of the original statement wasn’t to imply we are more competent than other airlines. It was to imply we were just as competent as other well run and operated airlines. Do you dispute this?
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No. If you and the Professor and who ever wanted to read into something that wasn’t there, that is your business. I’m just pointing out what the intent of the post was. You care to dispute that?
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Titan,
Settle down there big fellah. Lot of paranoid folk in CX obviously.
I have seen a LOSA process once before in a previous airline. Did the report say exactly what the CX report did. Dunno. Never read it. But I do know that LOSA reports are generally vague and contain spectacular results such as proficient. An airline will receive little more. MOST airlines in your region have passed LOSA audits without any problems.
Do I think CX pilots are just as competent as other pilots. Yep, I guess. But this is NOT the implication of the original post.
Chill dudes. You wont make many friends carrying on about how much better you are than others. There are millions of airline pilots in the world and only a couple of thousand of you. Ever heard of Custer?
Settle down there big fellah. Lot of paranoid folk in CX obviously.
I have seen a LOSA process once before in a previous airline. Did the report say exactly what the CX report did. Dunno. Never read it. But I do know that LOSA reports are generally vague and contain spectacular results such as proficient. An airline will receive little more. MOST airlines in your region have passed LOSA audits without any problems.
Do I think CX pilots are just as competent as other pilots. Yep, I guess. But this is NOT the implication of the original post.
Chill dudes. You wont make many friends carrying on about how much better you are than others. There are millions of airline pilots in the world and only a couple of thousand of you. Ever heard of Custer?
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Quadspeed said
What is the Average CX Pilot? A 744 relief F/O???? I'm doing 5 landings per month in a bad month. JFO's are doing 20............. captains are doing as much as they bloody well like to........ The Average CX Pilot is not doing 12 a year, sorry , but your rebuttal needs Rebutting.
" Now, to complete the rebutall; No, I wasn't calling you "non-proficient in handling." I was calling the average CX pilot "non-proficient in handling." You realize the difference, right? Which makes your personal example miss the point. Completely.
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Guys, the origin of this post was a moron, probably a bum buddy of TT or NR, writing in to the SCMP about how much better off CX would be financially if it did'nt pay those pesky pilots so much.
If anything, it is more pertinent to discuss the difficulties of living in HK versus our home, rather than wether or not we are better pilots than anyone else.
CX/KA has great pilots, good pilots, pilots who think they are great/good and a small % of crap pilots, just like every other airline I have worked for.
What is different is having to live in HK, which has good points and bad points. As I was trying to explain to someone ( with no success ), the number one factor for me is THIS IS NOT MY HOME, my family, best friends etc, are at least 8 hrs away. I am living in a much smaller place ( yes, I know by some locals stanadards, a palace ) and I, and my family, are breathing far worse air.
So, to sum up, I have no family or friends close by, I have lowered my accomodation standards, and I am breathing pollution........................so why the
would I come here if the money was'nt great for christs sake.
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If anything, it is more pertinent to discuss the difficulties of living in HK versus our home, rather than wether or not we are better pilots than anyone else.
CX/KA has great pilots, good pilots, pilots who think they are great/good and a small % of crap pilots, just like every other airline I have worked for.
What is different is having to live in HK, which has good points and bad points. As I was trying to explain to someone ( with no success ), the number one factor for me is THIS IS NOT MY HOME, my family, best friends etc, are at least 8 hrs away. I am living in a much smaller place ( yes, I know by some locals stanadards, a palace ) and I, and my family, are breathing far worse air.
So, to sum up, I have no family or friends close by, I have lowered my accomodation standards, and I am breathing pollution........................so why the
would I come here if the money was'nt great for christs sake.end of rant
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404, you should just ignore GT as he's just pissed that you have his rightful command. GT
IMO, having also flown for a number of airlines CX IS up there with the best, and is definitely the best in Asia. You haven't seen any smoking holes with the chicken wing on it, though we may have been close! The green band is somewhat narrower than most airlines especially for the LHS and I've not flown with a captain yet, who I would consider anywhere near marginal. Though I think the checking standard is very subjective (but I can say I've not personally been subjected to it, just witnessed it) and CX is somewhat in love with this "Command Presence" thingy which, I think is over blown. Not better pilots, but definitely high standards expected and enforced which doesn't allow you to get lazy.
IMO, having also flown for a number of airlines CX IS up there with the best, and is definitely the best in Asia. You haven't seen any smoking holes with the chicken wing on it, though we may have been close! The green band is somewhat narrower than most airlines especially for the LHS and I've not flown with a captain yet, who I would consider anywhere near marginal. Though I think the checking standard is very subjective (but I can say I've not personally been subjected to it, just witnessed it) and CX is somewhat in love with this "Command Presence" thingy which, I think is over blown. Not better pilots, but definitely high standards expected and enforced which doesn't allow you to get lazy.
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1) Hugh Chiverton's use of English leaves a lot to be desired if he has written
Given this, I have to inform you that we have no intention of acting against Ms. Gamst Berg.
2) Ms Berg clearly has a biased attitude towards CX pilots and perhaps an axe to grind but it is after all a blog.
3) The comedian in the whole episode is the contributor who seeks to have her sacked and seems to think that free speech and public comment should be suspended either because that contributor disagrees with what is said or thinks that CX and its expatriate employees against whom the blog was directed should have special privileges protecting them from such public comment.
3) Shame on you. You have given this lady credibility and publicity she would otherwise not have achieved or attained and your rantings are I hope not representative of either CX or the unnamed employees (and one spouse)against whom the original blog was directed.
Given this, I have to inform you that we have no intention of acting against Ms. Gamst Berg.
2) Ms Berg clearly has a biased attitude towards CX pilots and perhaps an axe to grind but it is after all a blog.
3) The comedian in the whole episode is the contributor who seeks to have her sacked and seems to think that free speech and public comment should be suspended either because that contributor disagrees with what is said or thinks that CX and its expatriate employees against whom the blog was directed should have special privileges protecting them from such public comment.
3) Shame on you. You have given this lady credibility and publicity she would otherwise not have achieved or attained and your rantings are I hope not representative of either CX or the unnamed employees (and one spouse)against whom the original blog was directed.
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The comedian in the whole episode is the contributor who seeks to have her sacked and seems to think that free speech and public comment should be suspended either because that contributor disagrees with what is said or thinks that CX and its expatriate employees against whom the blog was directed should have special privileges protecting them from such public comment.
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OK
Put your money where your mouth is ....
SUE HER
BUT....
check what the legal definition of slander is AND
check whether you can have a group defamed
CHEERS
Happy Flying
check
Put your money where your mouth is ....
SUE HER
BUT....
check what the legal definition of slander is AND
check whether you can have a group defamed
CHEERS
Happy Flying
check
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Defamation - slander or libel - may be defined as the publication , whether oral or written, of a falsehood which damages the reputation of the person concerned and lowers the victim's reputation in the eyes of 'right thinking members of general society'.
Slander is in the form of the spoken word; libel is defamation in some permanent form, such as publication in books or newspapers.
Defamation may attract criminal or civil liability - civil liability is more frequent.
There are certain defences to an action for defamation - such as truth , fair comment and unintentional defamation.
So Mrs Q - if the said lady has made statements that are false knowing that they are false and it can be shown to have harmed the reputation of a certain group she may indeed be liable...
Whether anybody has the inclination to spend the time and money to pursue this matter is another question!
Slander is in the form of the spoken word; libel is defamation in some permanent form, such as publication in books or newspapers.
Defamation may attract criminal or civil liability - civil liability is more frequent.
There are certain defences to an action for defamation - such as truth , fair comment and unintentional defamation.
So Mrs Q - if the said lady has made statements that are false knowing that they are false and it can be shown to have harmed the reputation of a certain group she may indeed be liable...
Whether anybody has the inclination to spend the time and money to pursue this matter is another question!
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Whether anybody has the inclination to spend the time and money to pursue this matter is another question!
( and that is not slander/defamation, I am sure I can prove she is an oxygen thief, might even get a conviction
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You are correct. Indeed if by a process of elimination, it can be shown that the alleged libel was directed at one particular individual, it is a monty that she would lose a civil suit in most countries with a common law system in place.
If I were Ms Berg I would be deleting said blog... this time the Titanic could win the engagement!
You are correct. Indeed if by a process of elimination, it can be shown that the alleged libel was directed at one particular individual, it is a monty that she would lose a civil suit in most countries with a common law system in place.
If I were Ms Berg I would be deleting said blog... this time the Titanic could win the engagement!
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Why is anyone bothering about this stupid womans comments? You can't control people making uninformed or malicious comments. The best advice is to ignore such events, and avoid giving them unwarranted publicity.
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altimetry procedures?????
Explain this cos it sounds interesting.
approach procedures????
Same.
standardisation????
Wow, things have changed since I escaped. CX was the most non standard airline I have worked for, with the exception of the obvious one. Just because everyone does the same thing every time does not mean "standardisation". SOP's were handed down from father to son.
operations in varied and numerous difficult ATC enviornments???
This one I love. Do CX operate into airports that no one else does. How do the others cope? Do CX crew ever do 5 sector days in snow/Cat III/ 45 min turns etc?
Explain this cos it sounds interesting.
approach procedures????
Same.
standardisation????
Wow, things have changed since I escaped. CX was the most non standard airline I have worked for, with the exception of the obvious one. Just because everyone does the same thing every time does not mean "standardisation". SOP's were handed down from father to son.
operations in varied and numerous difficult ATC enviornments???
This one I love. Do CX operate into airports that no one else does. How do the others cope? Do CX crew ever do 5 sector days in snow/Cat III/ 45 min turns etc?
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Further to ATY's comments,
Altimetry procedures: yes, something that done improperly can kill you. The procedure at CX leaves that likelyhood improbable.
Standardisation: Compared to two major US airlines that I have flown for...CX is far and away the most standard airline by comparison.
Numerous ATC enviornments: having flown for 12 years US domestic, with many 'catII,snow,lowvis' approaches (blah,blah), I can safely say that the variety of ATC and Wx enviornments encountered in CX is a step beyond. Flying around the US all your career is not particularly character building. You can argue the point, but i've done it, and my opinion is based on experience.
I could go on, but I can't be bothered arguing about something that most of you are only speculating on. After years of 'feet out' called for the 'gear down', '992 for me and you' and 'vis apprch to rwy 29L, any questions'....the procedures at CX are a refreshing and welcome change in professionalism. If you disagree...fine, i'll still sleep at night.
Altimetry procedures: yes, something that done improperly can kill you. The procedure at CX leaves that likelyhood improbable.
Standardisation: Compared to two major US airlines that I have flown for...CX is far and away the most standard airline by comparison.
Numerous ATC enviornments: having flown for 12 years US domestic, with many 'catII,snow,lowvis' approaches (blah,blah), I can safely say that the variety of ATC and Wx enviornments encountered in CX is a step beyond. Flying around the US all your career is not particularly character building. You can argue the point, but i've done it, and my opinion is based on experience.
I could go on, but I can't be bothered arguing about something that most of you are only speculating on. After years of 'feet out' called for the 'gear down', '992 for me and you' and 'vis apprch to rwy 29L, any questions'....the procedures at CX are a refreshing and welcome change in professionalism. If you disagree...fine, i'll still sleep at night.
