When it comes to the crunch.
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When it comes to the crunch.
There are so many posts on this subject now, including many from the usual suspects who have categorically stated their intention to say 'No' COS 08 and 'No' SLS, come what may.
However.... not one Prunner on this forum has SIGNED 'No' and 'No' yet. (Let's face it, they would be the first to say so, if they had.)
I know the AOA has said don't sign anything yet etc., but the above guys have pinned their post to the proverbial masts.
So what are they waiting for? Please tell us because all these vociferous posts and evident inaction lead me to believe that when it comes to the crunch it won't be a pretty show of unity.
I've ticked a box, but my vote is personal and I don't feel compelled to disclose my inclinations.
RM
However.... not one Prunner on this forum has SIGNED 'No' and 'No' yet. (Let's face it, they would be the first to say so, if they had.)
I know the AOA has said don't sign anything yet etc., but the above guys have pinned their post to the proverbial masts.
So what are they waiting for? Please tell us because all these vociferous posts and evident inaction lead me to believe that when it comes to the crunch it won't be a pretty show of unity.
I've ticked a box, but my vote is personal and I don't feel compelled to disclose my inclinations.
RM
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Show of unity.
There's still unity on voting COS99 and COS08 if the vote is not the same.
If all capts vote cos08, and all so/fo votes cos99. That's unity.
If all votes NO to SLS. That's unity.
So it's not a simple NO NO unity.
If all capts vote cos08, and all so/fo votes cos99. That's unity.
If all votes NO to SLS. That's unity.
So it's not a simple NO NO unity.
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Be sure of the law
Before you do nothing and assume that you will remain on your existing contract make a few enquires . Nothing would be worse than to find that under some obscure law in HK not rejecting a proffered contract is tantamount to accepting it.
For all Capt's 50 or older it is a simple decision COS 08 is the way to go, SLS is an individual decision. Do they need it? I do not believe they do, especially when they are spending billions of dollars buying their own stock back. Talk about crying wolf once too often.
For the remainder of the aircrew it is much more complicated, I cannot see any improvement in COS 08 that would make signing away BPP worthwhile. If the majority of the FO/SO body refused to sign across the company would be forced to offer another contract in a year or two hopefully with much better conditions.
Can you see this company permitting a situation to arise where a large number of pilots are forced into retirement at 55. Because they refused to sign across in 2009. When you all get to 55, you will be the senior pilots of the day the check and trainers, senior line captains. This is experience they cannot afford to loose.
Sorry I just cannot see this happening . If for once you stick together there will be another contract at some time in the future.
For all Capt's 50 or older it is a simple decision COS 08 is the way to go, SLS is an individual decision. Do they need it? I do not believe they do, especially when they are spending billions of dollars buying their own stock back. Talk about crying wolf once too often.
For the remainder of the aircrew it is much more complicated, I cannot see any improvement in COS 08 that would make signing away BPP worthwhile. If the majority of the FO/SO body refused to sign across the company would be forced to offer another contract in a year or two hopefully with much better conditions.
Can you see this company permitting a situation to arise where a large number of pilots are forced into retirement at 55. Because they refused to sign across in 2009. When you all get to 55, you will be the senior pilots of the day the check and trainers, senior line captains. This is experience they cannot afford to loose.
Sorry I just cannot see this happening . If for once you stick together there will be another contract at some time in the future.
