What Are You Voting
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What Are You Voting
Lets get an online poll going, with some insight!
Now please be honest. dont try to corrupt the result!
Please No Bickering.
Please provide Rank/ Approx Age/ SLS.YES or NO or Maybe/ Cos 08 YES or NO or MAybe/
Me first..
FO/ 30's/ SLS Thinking NO but still Maybe/ Cos 08 100% NO
Now please be honest. dont try to corrupt the result!
Please No Bickering.
Please provide Rank/ Approx Age/ SLS.YES or NO or Maybe/ Cos 08 YES or NO or MAybe/
Me first..
FO/ 30's/ SLS Thinking NO but still Maybe/ Cos 08 100% NO
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No on COS 08; No brainer...
Need advice from AOA for the rest. CX has cut the grass below the AOA's feet. I have a feeling that there is some info that they cannot discuss through emails or website and would need to be passed from mouth to ear...
Need advice from AOA for the rest. CX has cut the grass below the AOA's feet. I have a feeling that there is some info that they cannot discuss through emails or website and would need to be passed from mouth to ear...
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FO in my 30's...... NO to SLS and NO to CoS08.
No matter what my mates say or what the AOA have to say (I'm a member) this is what I will be doing. I've had enough!!! I am sick and tired of having to fight for the contract that I signed! I just don't believe the company and all the bollocks.... enough is enough!
This is my way of making a stand.... and I can honestly say, if I get fired because of it... so be it! There is a reason why I have been doing another degree on the side. I love flying, but I'm not afraid to do something else. My wife and I are happy to live conservatively (spent my first 10 years in GA doing just that) until something else comes along.
Time to make a stand.... hope at least a few feel the same.
No matter what my mates say or what the AOA have to say (I'm a member) this is what I will be doing. I've had enough!!! I am sick and tired of having to fight for the contract that I signed! I just don't believe the company and all the bollocks.... enough is enough!
This is my way of making a stand.... and I can honestly say, if I get fired because of it... so be it! There is a reason why I have been doing another degree on the side. I love flying, but I'm not afraid to do something else. My wife and I are happy to live conservatively (spent my first 10 years in GA doing just that) until something else comes along.
Time to make a stand.... hope at least a few feel the same.
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I'm NO on both. There just isn't anything in it for me.
I don't care what the AOA says, in fact, after seeing their lame-ass response, I don't imagine I will stay a member for much longer.
How can it be that they understand why the company is offering SLS, but that they don't agree. Sounds like a copout to me.
Negatory on both. Better yet, I'm just not gonna make a choice.
I don't care what the AOA says, in fact, after seeing their lame-ass response, I don't imagine I will stay a member for much longer.
How can it be that they understand why the company is offering SLS, but that they don't agree. Sounds like a copout to me.
Negatory on both. Better yet, I'm just not gonna make a choice.
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Squak.... Its not the victories the AOA has achieved that keeps them worthy. Instead its the obstacle they provide that has preserved our conditions. Without em we would be all screwed. I admit the company does not respect em but they have preserved alot of things that would have been removed if not for the AOA. Without them no BPP cases would be on for SO's and eventually FO's we would all be too scared to stand up. Please dont go off on the negative because the company has decided to abuse its power and bypas the AOA. Their hands were tied to some degree and this is the best they can do at the moment.
Keep the votes coming!
Rage Against The Management!
Keep the votes coming!
Rage Against The Management!
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RAT, I would give you the by-pass pay issue if it was a done deal, but it is only just beginning. It hasn't even been close to being resolved, so it might be a little early to be high-fiving each other on that one. Agreed, it is a noble cause and I'm glad to see it fought, but far from over.
Regardless of cathay's opinion of the AOA, the union's response to all of this is lame. I'm not asking them to call for a strike or complete chaos, but a simple denouncement of SLS and COS08 for the pieco'o ****t deals that they are. A simple "these deals are not worth looking at, we do not endorse either one, we have seen no proof that the company is in need of subsidies from the labor force, so we recommend you vote NO on both".
Everyone knows that this is an individual choice, so the AOA does not need to give us a disclaimer on the matter.
I would be very interested to see how the president personally votes on the COS08 proposal.
Regardless of cathay's opinion of the AOA, the union's response to all of this is lame. I'm not asking them to call for a strike or complete chaos, but a simple denouncement of SLS and COS08 for the pieco'o ****t deals that they are. A simple "these deals are not worth looking at, we do not endorse either one, we have seen no proof that the company is in need of subsidies from the labor force, so we recommend you vote NO on both".
Everyone knows that this is an individual choice, so the AOA does not need to give us a disclaimer on the matter.
I would be very interested to see how the president personally votes on the COS08 proposal.
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Nope
S/O, 30(ish), No to CoS08 and No(altho maybe if I get it in one lot and a FIRM commitment that its payed back).....I, like alot of other S/Os have been royally screwed over re BPP, or the lack thereof, and now CX wants 2 weeks pay AND a sh!t deal with no BPP? There have been NO "assesments" in the last 5 months, despite "reassurances" that they would continue, our JFO upgrades are blowing out to nearly 4 years, Commands disappearing over the horizon, and we are basically being asked to pay for it....and before any Captains get on here and flame me, I have no problem with going to 65, I just dont think that this is the way to do it, having the junior crew esentially pay for the companys complete balls up over the years with the contracts.
Loyalty is a one way street it seems to mismanagement.
And if your reading this NR et al....most of the S/Os Ive spoken with (straw poll) and new F/Os aren't signing up for this abortion either....well done
Loyalty is a one way street it seems to mismanagement.
And if your reading this NR et al....most of the S/Os Ive spoken with (straw poll) and new F/Os aren't signing up for this abortion either....well done
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S/FO, Early 40's, Nyet to SLS, Nein to COS 08 or whatever other ridiculous COS **** they offer me.
I've had enough of their continuous lies. If they decide to fire me, so be it - Cathay is NOT the only airline out there and besides, I am fortunate that I have a degree in another profession that I can always return to.
To Tony, Nick and Richard, if you idiots are reading this, Hugs not Drugs.
If Management want to find extra money to preserve, start by making those responsible for your fuel hedges and cargo price fixing responsible for their actions.
I've had enough of their continuous lies. If they decide to fire me, so be it - Cathay is NOT the only airline out there and besides, I am fortunate that I have a degree in another profession that I can always return to.
To Tony, Nick and Richard, if you idiots are reading this, Hugs not Drugs.
If Management want to find extra money to preserve, start by making those responsible for your fuel hedges and cargo price fixing responsible for their actions.
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SLS - OK, whatever...I was paid some extra bonus money in a good year, so now the company wants it back in a bad year, and if management is in it as well, so be it.
CoS 08. Look, the train has left the station on that one. We didn't stop it when it was offered to guys in 08, now it's the latest CX contract craze on the street. Are we expecting to improve our (Cos 99) contract conditions and leapfrog the 08 guys who took CoS 08 with our acceptance(so now WE get RA65 AND higher FO pay?). At least the Captain B scales are preserved, and the freighter seats - both left and right - will now pay higher salaries. Based FO's will take a pay hit, this is true, but this may be the opportunity cost of working 10 more years at 200K+. To me, this offer works - as I desire to NOT retire at 55, but I wish there was a better alternative offered and one that covers the entire pilot work force - BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE, NOR HAVE I HEARD ANYTHING BEING WORKED OUT! So........F*&^%$ Yes, now - but I'll wait a few days to see if the impossible happens (won't cost me anything, I hope). Now I'll go have another Hurricane.
CoS 08. Look, the train has left the station on that one. We didn't stop it when it was offered to guys in 08, now it's the latest CX contract craze on the street. Are we expecting to improve our (Cos 99) contract conditions and leapfrog the 08 guys who took CoS 08 with our acceptance(so now WE get RA65 AND higher FO pay?). At least the Captain B scales are preserved, and the freighter seats - both left and right - will now pay higher salaries. Based FO's will take a pay hit, this is true, but this may be the opportunity cost of working 10 more years at 200K+. To me, this offer works - as I desire to NOT retire at 55, but I wish there was a better alternative offered and one that covers the entire pilot work force - BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE, NOR HAVE I HEARD ANYTHING BEING WORKED OUT! So........F*&^%$ Yes, now - but I'll wait a few days to see if the impossible happens (won't cost me anything, I hope). Now I'll go have another Hurricane.