Cathay hit list
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It has become apparent from this that Crew Control are keeping illegal data files on crew
"How does somebody, who barely made it through form 5 (highschool certificate) is suddenly "qualified" to assess individuals on something that affects their careers.."
The guys on that list should all get together and sue the living daylights out of cathay..they deserve ALL the negative publicity and millions in fines/legal fees/compensation because of this despicable act from management..absolutely DISGUSTING and a warning for all "wannabees" to stay FAR FAR away from this circus...
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Why was it leaked?
There may have been a manager who was part of the star chamber, who recently left the company under a "dark cloud". Perhaps, he kept his own records, and they accidentally fell into the wrong hands after he left HKG. That would have to be a bit of a worry for Management.. "what other secret documents are out there!" etc.
The size and general composition of the list has been known for years.
Maybe a few of the guys who recently received a copy of "you are on the hit list" were surprised. However, most were not. Any good member in the period 99-01 was on the list. If your name was missing, then you are part of the reason we failed, because you were not trying hard enough. If you left the union during or after this period then shame on you.
It is rumoured that the list of 49'ers was distributed around various airlines as a warning/request to not hire. Posting the actual and potential victims on a internet public forum years on, only serves to victimise these individuals yet again. You post the victims names in public, but fail to post the names of the "star chamber".
We should focus on issues such as who the star chamber were in 2001 and who remain with "blood on their hands"?
The size and general composition of the list has been known for years.
Maybe a few of the guys who recently received a copy of "you are on the hit list" were surprised. However, most were not. Any good member in the period 99-01 was on the list. If your name was missing, then you are part of the reason we failed, because you were not trying hard enough. If you left the union during or after this period then shame on you.
It is rumoured that the list of 49'ers was distributed around various airlines as a warning/request to not hire. Posting the actual and potential victims on a internet public forum years on, only serves to victimise these individuals yet again. You post the victims names in public, but fail to post the names of the "star chamber".
We should focus on issues such as who the star chamber were in 2001 and who remain with "blood on their hands"?
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Any good member in the period 99-01 was on the list. If your name was missing, then you are part of the reason we failed, because you were not trying hard enough
You've missed the whole point, that there should not have been a "list" or any sackings in the first place. 49 families destroyed by a faceless star-chamber, not to mention demotions, cat B etc etc. The list that should be exposed for public knowledge is the list of star-chamber participants.
Let's have the list of those Star Chamber members in and around 2001. Someone should know. Initials only may keep the moderators at bay for a while 'cos only those in CX at the time and the members themselves will 'know' (ie the names are not in the public domain -although I can't see why they shouldn't be).
One for sure was AM. Another PW I guess.
One for sure was AM. Another PW I guess.
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And there is something totally immoral about one of these same gentlemen, now involved in the activities that US Anti-collusion authorities fined the company US$65,000,000 for, not only retaining his now very senior position but no doubt receiving a handsome bonus.
Hypocracy and greed in the extreme.
Hypocracy and greed in the extreme.
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Yeager,
The only thing that will bring on any changes around here is a major accident. Hope it will never happen, but as long as things keep going the way they are, they have no reason to change anything because they believe it is working. The stuff written on ERAS's are some of the most disturbing things known to aviation. If Cathay were to bend some metal in another country and this stuff (ERAS's) are leaked to the outside world. Cathay Pacific as we know it will cease to exist as no one will allow them rights to fly anywhere anymore.
The only thing that will bring on any changes around here is a major accident. Hope it will never happen, but as long as things keep going the way they are, they have no reason to change anything because they believe it is working. The stuff written on ERAS's are some of the most disturbing things known to aviation. If Cathay were to bend some metal in another country and this stuff (ERAS's) are leaked to the outside world. Cathay Pacific as we know it will cease to exist as no one will allow them rights to fly anywhere anymore.
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So there is our hit list.
Let this be a warning to each and every pilot, present and future, we do what we want, when we want i.e. pay scales, Direct Entry First Officers, Direct Entry Captains, Benefits, Conditions of Service and of course Terminations.
We regret not having terminated more, as there are still some bad apples within the pilot group. You know who you are.
Not assisting Crew Control with their daily duties i.e. not being contactable on G or O days, not reducing rest, not using commanders discretion to increase a Flight Duty Period, questioning Crew Control about the legality of the duty to name a few, weighs very heavily with our decision to terminate, at present and in the future. Be warned.
There are very few pilots not doing their part to help Crew Control and you know who you are. Pull it together or you will make the next list, which by the way, is being collated as we speak.
We leaked the list as We feel some groups are puffing up their chests in acts of defiance. Be warned, you have no idea what we are capable of and We will do it with a smile.
It would be a shame to be terminated by Our Group and then have your name tarnished all over the world. Difficult to obtain employment when we blacklist pilots, just ask some of the 49ers flying those small airplanes or working for some disorganized airline making peanuts.
The DFO (GMA at the time) is quite proud of the list and the colleagues that helped create it. This is one of the best tactics we have used in our industrial relations with our pilot group and we will not hesitate to use it again. Our philosophy is “If we have to terminate some pilots to keep the rest inline, we will”.
So we lose 50 pilots, we have many pilots coming up to age 55 that would fancy a training position to extend on a base, so retraining is not an issue. It is a small price to pay for a compliant pilot group. There are many younger pilots joining our Exclusive Training Group, which is nice to see.
Keep in mind, if we do terminate you with 3 months notice, where will you go? Not many employment opportunities out there with this current oil and financial crisis.
There will be a watered down version of a 13th month to keep the ground staff happy but the pilots will receive very little. As for us Managers, we will receive our full bonus.
To My Bonus.
The Management
Let this be a warning to each and every pilot, present and future, we do what we want, when we want i.e. pay scales, Direct Entry First Officers, Direct Entry Captains, Benefits, Conditions of Service and of course Terminations.
We regret not having terminated more, as there are still some bad apples within the pilot group. You know who you are.
Not assisting Crew Control with their daily duties i.e. not being contactable on G or O days, not reducing rest, not using commanders discretion to increase a Flight Duty Period, questioning Crew Control about the legality of the duty to name a few, weighs very heavily with our decision to terminate, at present and in the future. Be warned.
There are very few pilots not doing their part to help Crew Control and you know who you are. Pull it together or you will make the next list, which by the way, is being collated as we speak.
We leaked the list as We feel some groups are puffing up their chests in acts of defiance. Be warned, you have no idea what we are capable of and We will do it with a smile.
It would be a shame to be terminated by Our Group and then have your name tarnished all over the world. Difficult to obtain employment when we blacklist pilots, just ask some of the 49ers flying those small airplanes or working for some disorganized airline making peanuts.
The DFO (GMA at the time) is quite proud of the list and the colleagues that helped create it. This is one of the best tactics we have used in our industrial relations with our pilot group and we will not hesitate to use it again. Our philosophy is “If we have to terminate some pilots to keep the rest inline, we will”.
So we lose 50 pilots, we have many pilots coming up to age 55 that would fancy a training position to extend on a base, so retraining is not an issue. It is a small price to pay for a compliant pilot group. There are many younger pilots joining our Exclusive Training Group, which is nice to see.
Keep in mind, if we do terminate you with 3 months notice, where will you go? Not many employment opportunities out there with this current oil and financial crisis.
There will be a watered down version of a 13th month to keep the ground staff happy but the pilots will receive very little. As for us Managers, we will receive our full bonus.
To My Bonus.
The Management
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Oooooooooooohhhhh....shaking in my boots.... I'm about ready to quit this dump anyway. This isn't a job, most certainly not a career, it's a prison sentence. Waking up every day and wishing huge parts of your life away is no way to live.
Cathay is one of the most morale crushing, joy destroying places in aviation. If the management (with some notable exceptions) can live with their actions then so be it, they are totally numb to their utter despicability.....and they will be judged eventually. Sad, really, because with little change it really could be the best airline in the world.
Cathay is one of the most morale crushing, joy destroying places in aviation. If the management (with some notable exceptions) can live with their actions then so be it, they are totally numb to their utter despicability.....and they will be judged eventually. Sad, really, because with little change it really could be the best airline in the world.
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How About That!!!
I see I made "the list"... funny I knew at the time that I was on some sort of list. I used to tell my wife that they had me on some kind of list.
Yet here I am posting under my real name and not giving a rats butt about a CX list. So what happened? Due to a power much higher than myself I was able to move on...not just a different job, but I was able to forgive the folks who trapped me in that evil cyclone of insanity. More than that I wish for them that they would learn to "treat others as they would wish to be treated" and thus be able to experience lasting joy rather than the fleeting power rush that they get from crapping on people.
To the folks in management who have goodwill I wish the all the best as well as all the good hardworking pilots who are struggling to have a career.
In this world there is Love and there is Hatred and we decide which one will control us...
Cheers,
Brad
Everything we do is a step along a path.
Yet here I am posting under my real name and not giving a rats butt about a CX list. So what happened? Due to a power much higher than myself I was able to move on...not just a different job, but I was able to forgive the folks who trapped me in that evil cyclone of insanity. More than that I wish for them that they would learn to "treat others as they would wish to be treated" and thus be able to experience lasting joy rather than the fleeting power rush that they get from crapping on people.
To the folks in management who have goodwill I wish the all the best as well as all the good hardworking pilots who are struggling to have a career.
In this world there is Love and there is Hatred and we decide which one will control us...
Cheers,
Brad
Everything we do is a step along a path.
Brad
Good for you. Post again as there are a lot of very stressed folk still here who need to see the light.
Anyone who wants the list just pm me. I have pm'd those that requested it.
I understand Mr Begg is sending a bag of fresh sheep ****e from his farm as an Xmas prezzie to the Chamber
Good for you. Post again as there are a lot of very stressed folk still here who need to see the light.
Anyone who wants the list just pm me. I have pm'd those that requested it.
I understand Mr Begg is sending a bag of fresh sheep ****e from his farm as an Xmas prezzie to the Chamber
...but I take your point...many couldn't tell the difference.