MEL to HKG 2 MAN CREW
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Over analyzing this particular flight, I think...
While I am sure that the AOA would love to win this particular ruling against the CAD, they are accomplishing a few things nonetheless...
-- The next time the CAD Duty Flight Ops Inspector gets a phone call from CX (or any other local airline for that matter) asking for a FTL "dispensation," I bet he'll think twice before approving it...
-- The filing attempts to fight the impunity that FOP Management have enjoyed recently...
-- It has attracted some positive media attention (last weeks SCMP). During the past, certain members of the CX propaganda machine used the media to make the pilots look like a bunch of overpaid, spoilt babies when they went to the media and quoted massively exaggerated pilot salaries (still not sure who's salary they were quoting -- maybe KJP's?)
Maybe I am being a little too optimistic, but I like the way the new AOA GC is moving...
-- The next time the CAD Duty Flight Ops Inspector gets a phone call from CX (or any other local airline for that matter) asking for a FTL "dispensation," I bet he'll think twice before approving it...
-- The filing attempts to fight the impunity that FOP Management have enjoyed recently...
-- It has attracted some positive media attention (last weeks SCMP). During the past, certain members of the CX propaganda machine used the media to make the pilots look like a bunch of overpaid, spoilt babies when they went to the media and quoted massively exaggerated pilot salaries (still not sure who's salary they were quoting -- maybe KJP's?)
Maybe I am being a little too optimistic, but I like the way the new AOA GC is moving...
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-- The next time the CAD Duty Flight Ops Inspector gets a phone call from CX (or any other local airline for that matter) asking for a FTL "dispensation," I bet he'll think twice before approving it...
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Hi there..I agree that 8 and a bit hours is 'hardly arduous' however this company rosters based and hk home crews multiple daily sectors..often 7 days straight on the absolute limit of duty/rest combination..split duties(11pm start and 4 hours overnight rest) with no allowances are the norm..along with 12-13 hour turn around days followed immediately by either an ultra long haul or melbourne 2 man crew....so your one flight taken out of context is really not that bad...but there is always more to it than a single flight duty.
the 744 crews operate hkg-lax and next day lax-hkg then next day hkg-lax and next day lax-hkg..try that one on for fatigue!nearly 60 hours in 7 days
the 744 crews operate hkg-lax and next day lax-hkg then next day hkg-lax and next day lax-hkg..try that one on for fatigue!nearly 60 hours in 7 days
even worse try a JFK/YYZ W pattern, 64 hrs block in 8 days. AND a 12 hr time change to cope with. ( makes an LA or Europe W look easy )
It's not unusual to arr home from JFK on 831 at 2100 and leave the next arvo on 826 to YYZ at 1300.
Then those Aus commuters add another 9 hrs to that total. So that's about 73 hrs in 8 to 9 days with probably only 4 to 5 hrs sleep each day!!!!!!!
They are dangerous in the extreme and how CX can allow that to be rostered is amazing.
Drunknsailor:- yes you get 8 g's after a W, BUT in my experience (and in the experience of a lot of other guys that tried the W ) you need about 6 of those 8 to feel human again............So why bother?
It's not unusual to arr home from JFK on 831 at 2100 and leave the next arvo on 826 to YYZ at 1300.
Then those Aus commuters add another 9 hrs to that total. So that's about 73 hrs in 8 to 9 days with probably only 4 to 5 hrs sleep each day!!!!!!!
They are dangerous in the extreme and how CX can allow that to be rostered is amazing.
Drunknsailor:- yes you get 8 g's after a W, BUT in my experience (and in the experience of a lot of other guys that tried the W ) you need about 6 of those 8 to feel human again............So why bother?
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a phone call from CX ?
Was it a phone call?
The rumour going around is that a couple of CX managers and the CAD inspector were having a drink when the problem in MEL arose so the request was made verbally.
The rumour going around is that a couple of CX managers and the CAD inspector were having a drink when the problem in MEL arose so the request was made verbally.
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Its About Time....
This is brilliant...so brilliant HKCAD & CX so in bed togethor its a joke ...surely there are more examples of this floating around between CX AND HKCAD.One day it will come and bite them in the butt...its only a matter of time.
The HKCAD are another great example of a gloriously outdated white elephant of what you call a Govt Department (jobs for life no need to improve and get better) .When they stuff it up we should absolutely be the first to stand up and point it out.
In my opinion the HKCAD NEEDS AN ICAO AUDIT.Now that would be interesting wouldn't it ?
The HKCAD are another great example of a gloriously outdated white elephant of what you call a Govt Department (jobs for life no need to improve and get better) .When they stuff it up we should absolutely be the first to stand up and point it out.
In my opinion the HKCAD NEEDS AN ICAO AUDIT.Now that would be interesting wouldn't it ?
