Otters in HK?
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Big Fun
The harbour water is big and very, very choppy all of the time regardless of wind but probably wake and debris could each create a bigger threat to the operation.
Would be big fun though
Would be big fun though
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According to the map in the SCMP, the take off area would be behind the To Kwa Wan typhoon shelter, protected by a seawall. The water there is designed to be pretty calm all the time, even during a typhoon! 
So extra strong floats it is 
And a good bilge pump, wouldn't wanna sink in that crap!!
Seriously..........what are the T/O and LDG app paths like into that shelter area?
And a good bilge pump, wouldn't wanna sink in that crap!!
Seriously..........what are the T/O and LDG app paths like into that shelter area?
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In response to your question ACMS here is something I found at www.hkadb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20993
WaterfrontAir expects to use a 31 approach and a 13 departure, then transit the harbour to join the established air routes to and from Macau. The flight should take about 20 minutes, and the view will be amazing.
The landing area is located west of the old Kai Tak runway, as shown on the SCMP graphic.
This area is almost completely free of marine traffic, and separated by over 800m from the Cruise Terminal.
The twin otter needs about 750m to 50ft for a take off run and is airborne at about 60 KIAS, with 20 degrees of flaps.
Thanks, Michael Agopsowicz, Director - WaterfrontAir.
WaterfrontAir expects to use a 31 approach and a 13 departure, then transit the harbour to join the established air routes to and from Macau. The flight should take about 20 minutes, and the view will be amazing.
The landing area is located west of the old Kai Tak runway, as shown on the SCMP graphic.
This area is almost completely free of marine traffic, and separated by over 800m from the Cruise Terminal.
The twin otter needs about 750m to 50ft for a take off run and is airborne at about 60 KIAS, with 20 degrees of flaps.
Thanks, Michael Agopsowicz, Director - WaterfrontAir.
As an old fart having operated into Kai Tak for too many years, I can say that the landing will be 13 and the take-off will be 13 due to the prevailing winds for at least 85% of the time.
Of course this does not preclude an approach on 31 circling to land 13. The float-plane concept sounds very enticing to me... and seems to complete the "circle" of Hong Kong aviation.
Of course this does not preclude an approach on 31 circling to land 13. The float-plane concept sounds very enticing to me... and seems to complete the "circle" of Hong Kong aviation.
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Central to Macau by Ferry: $150 scum class, $250 business class in 1:30
Kowloon to Macau by Ferry: same cost, same time or just a little more
Central to Macau by Heli: $2500 in 0:40
Central/Kowloon to Macau via Seaplane at Kai Tak: $1500 in 1:10
So 10x the price for 20 min saving. Mmmmmm "its not gonna fly". At $750 it could get pax, but then could it make money at $750?
Sadly, I think its a dodo
Kowloon to Macau by Ferry: same cost, same time or just a little more
Central to Macau by Heli: $2500 in 0:40
Central/Kowloon to Macau via Seaplane at Kai Tak: $1500 in 1:10
So 10x the price for 20 min saving. Mmmmmm "its not gonna fly". At $750 it could get pax, but then could it make money at $750?
Sadly, I think its a dodo
Central/Kowloon to Macau via Seaplane at Kai Tak: $1500 in 1:10
Does anyone remember the sector time for the CX Catalina?
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slow but sure
Seems the seaplane plans are still going strong:
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...seaplanes.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...seaplanes.html
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Sicer...this article is great news but I think there is a huge underestimation by Waterfront management on what it will take to get approved in Macau and probably HK. There is no way I can see it will happen before the end of 2010 as the article states.
The average time, (and it has been proven a few times now), to get an AOC in Macau has been at least 18-24 months due to the pace that the AACM works at and the unpreparedness of the operators. Can't even imagine how long it will take them to get their head around how to approve an aircraft landing on the water!!! Every investor in aviation in Macau to date has sadly misjudged the time required. Let's all hope and pray..'cause after Viva biting the bullet Macau needs it ... but a lot of disappointments should be expected.
The average time, (and it has been proven a few times now), to get an AOC in Macau has been at least 18-24 months due to the pace that the AACM works at and the unpreparedness of the operators. Can't even imagine how long it will take them to get their head around how to approve an aircraft landing on the water!!! Every investor in aviation in Macau to date has sadly misjudged the time required. Let's all hope and pray..'cause after Viva biting the bullet Macau needs it ... but a lot of disappointments should be expected.
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AOC in China may (or may not) be simpler to attain but again underestimating it is pretty standard behaviour of investors and even experienced aviation management. They all think it can be done in a few months and in these parts "nothing happens in a few months". The article reads like they already have an AOC in China but I read it as all they have is an MOU with the airport which is far from being an approval by the authority. In other words...they have a place to pull up to a dock and that's about it. The helicopters spent 2-3 years (and $$$) getting approval to fly into SZX and they had an AOC. Will likely be easier than that now but then again maybe not.
Macau AACM is stranger than any, and with the young experience running it, they won't be convinced easily about landing on water, because they just don't have a clue. And where are they going to dock? Approval for that will add months or years. Individually and as a government department, they will not take risks on anything that might come back to bite them. Hope it all goes as they say though, so I can dust off my float rating!
Macau AACM is stranger than any, and with the young experience running it, they won't be convinced easily about landing on water, because they just don't have a clue. And where are they going to dock? Approval for that will add months or years. Individually and as a government department, they will not take risks on anything that might come back to bite them. Hope it all goes as they say though, so I can dust off my float rating!
