Daily Telex, 16 May...WARNING...
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Daily Telex, 16 May...WARNING...
For those of you who have not been around as long as I, I suggest you take note of TT's comment in the daily telex where he states that 'tough decisions will have to be made' due to fuel prices. I can assure you that his intent is for those 'tough decisions' to involve our conditions. Best start considering what collective/individual action you are all willing to take because I assure you, the storm is coming. I would add that after 14 years without a pay raise, nothing short of an improvement in my conditions is suitable. Perhaps TT can start the process by renouncing any further management bonuses or pay raises....you know, that old 'lead from the front' thing...
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This on the same day that Delta just agreed a 17% pay rise, a further 3 % per year for the next 3 years, and equity in the company for it's pilots. Further, Emirates pilots have just been awarded a further 12 % raise. I suggest that TT takes his concerns and peddles them elswhere. This is the situation you get yourself in when you grind your aircrew down for well over a decade. A bit late to expect any of us to show anything other than contempt for any attempt at squeezing us. As Clint Eastwood said....'go ahead punk, make my day'... 
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But didnt you read in his update that "this week the price rose to a frightening" (level)..... "definitely now reached crisis levels"!
Oh No, will I still have a job on Monday, will the sun come up tomorrow, what am I to do? Gasp!
We have moved from expectation management to fear mongering, both very good techniques perfected and used succesfully in Stalinist times.
What will they say when it hits $200 p/b -
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BA Boss Walsh gave back his bonus yesterday, lets see if our galant leaders will do the same? To quote THE MANAGEMENT "here's to my bonus"
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Oh No, will I still have a job on Monday, will the sun come up tomorrow, what am I to do? Gasp!
We have moved from expectation management to fear mongering, both very good techniques perfected and used succesfully in Stalinist times.
What will they say when it hits $200 p/b -
er'sBA Boss Walsh gave back his bonus yesterday, lets see if our galant leaders will do the same? To quote THE MANAGEMENT "here's to my bonus"
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Fuel prices up or not ( and surcharges take care of most of it anyway ) this corporation makes obscene amounts of money and it is time the workers see their fair share of it.
The VERY MINIMUM acceptable is payrises that keep up with inflation EVERY YEAR.
AOA DID YOU HEAR THAT!!!!
The VERY MINIMUM acceptable is payrises that keep up with inflation EVERY YEAR.
AOA DID YOU HEAR THAT!!!!
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QF get a good pay deal in the latest EBA and employee work groups in Oz are not accepting anything less than 4-6% annual wage increases to cover inflation, not to mention the soaring cost of living these days!
The quote from the idiot box the other night rings true......
Fight to stop the degradation in quality of life. At the very least we are now all years behind in Qual. of life due to inflation.
Bugger what are we in for?
The quote from the idiot box the other night rings true......
Fight to stop the degradation in quality of life. At the very least we are now all years behind in Qual. of life due to inflation.
Bugger what are we in for?
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"Best start considering what collective/individual action you are all willing to take because I assure you, the storm is coming."
With ref to the quotation above , here's a plan:
Step 1) cut KJP's 350K++ p/m package in half that'll start the ball rolling.
Step 2) refer to step 1
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With ref to the quotation above , here's a plan:
Step 1) cut KJP's 350K++ p/m package in half that'll start the ball rolling.
Step 2) refer to step 1
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Ok Christep. I'll bite. For a SLF type, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with our careers.
Just wondering if you took a pay cut during those years??
An interesting argument, but flawed in many ways. Remember, there are statistics, and statistics. For a start, the overall inflation has exceeded any deflation over the past decade. In particular, the last several months have been brutal.
Additionally, the deflation you speak of had some interesting causes. Not least of which was SARS, during which CX staff willingly took leave without pay to save the company millions of dollars. For those that were tempted to resist, they were (in true CX/Swire management style) gently reminded who would probably be the first to go in the case of any redundancies.
Thought for the day Christep....'A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.'
As for the thread itself... Yet again the veiled threats are starting to rear their ugly heads. Not to forget how many millions CX spends on consultants who come up with ways to screw us.
Just wondering if you took a pay cut during those years??
An interesting argument, but flawed in many ways. Remember, there are statistics, and statistics. For a start, the overall inflation has exceeded any deflation over the past decade. In particular, the last several months have been brutal.
Additionally, the deflation you speak of had some interesting causes. Not least of which was SARS, during which CX staff willingly took leave without pay to save the company millions of dollars. For those that were tempted to resist, they were (in true CX/Swire management style) gently reminded who would probably be the first to go in the case of any redundancies.
Thought for the day Christep....'A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.'
As for the thread itself... Yet again the veiled threats are starting to rear their ugly heads. Not to forget how many millions CX spends on consultants who come up with ways to screw us.
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My pay is unchanged for over 6 years now, and my interest is more as a shareholder than as a customer.
There aren't many jobs where simply doing the same job for longer automatically gets you more money; most that do are in the public sector for some reason.
As I understand it, when you are talking about increases, that means moving all the points on the pay scale upwards, in addition to the increase you get automatically each year just for holding on to exactly the same job.
Those of you who have never worked in any other field may not appreciate how unusual this is and how envious many people are of you getting, say, 15% more money now than you did 6 years ago for doing exactly the same job (in addition to any of these other increases that you wish for).
There aren't many jobs where simply doing the same job for longer automatically gets you more money; most that do are in the public sector for some reason.
As I understand it, when you are talking about increases, that means moving all the points on the pay scale upwards, in addition to the increase you get automatically each year just for holding on to exactly the same job.
Those of you who have never worked in any other field may not appreciate how unusual this is and how envious many people are of you getting, say, 15% more money now than you did 6 years ago for doing exactly the same job (in addition to any of these other increases that you wish for).
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Christep...frankly I/we don't really care what you think. The reality is that we have seen our spending power down almost FIFTY percent over the past decade. That is the only fact that matters. I also suggest that you reread your post and try and see how patronizing it is. I don't need an explanation on economics from you or any other person who is not involved in the field of aviation. It is a unique business, and a unique career.
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It will be interesting to see what new adjectives CCD can come up with, as oil goes through $200 this winter!
At long last I have a reason to read the Friday telex again.
I used to find some amusement in "Cx Weekly" counting the ever-increasing number of photos of Phil the Racist, but sadly that sport has ended.
At long last I have a reason to read the Friday telex again.
I used to find some amusement in "Cx Weekly" counting the ever-increasing number of photos of Phil the Racist, but sadly that sport has ended.
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The Opening lines of each weekly telex should be wearing thin by now. The Fuel price will continue to go up, sure. CX Multiple Billion HKD profit each year will still go up. Why cry poor?? It's far from it.
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I don't know what your line of business is, but this is known in the airline business as seniority.
It works both ways. In times of expansion everybody would jump ship and find some other airline offering a bit more if it wasn't for seniority. So it works in favour of the airline in times of expansion and in favour of the pilots in times of layoffs.
If it wasn't for this pay scale system, airlines would most likely be spending extra billions training guys coming from a similar job at another airline, and the ups and downs in this industry as far as pay goes would be severly amplified. (As if it is not bad enough already)
If any airline management thought this pay scale system was a bad idea, they would have done away with it years ago. Fact is they love it when the world is short on pilots, since the majority of most airline pilot groups are tied to the company for that very reason. On top of the pay scale seniority many other airlines have seniority bidding systems, so for them it is not just income, it is lifestyle as well.
Just my 2 cents
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Those of you who have never worked in any other field may not appreciate how unusual this is and how envious many people are of you getting, say, 15% more money now than you did 6 years ago for doing exactly the same job (in addition to any of these other increases that you wish for).
It works both ways. In times of expansion everybody would jump ship and find some other airline offering a bit more if it wasn't for seniority. So it works in favour of the airline in times of expansion and in favour of the pilots in times of layoffs.
If it wasn't for this pay scale system, airlines would most likely be spending extra billions training guys coming from a similar job at another airline, and the ups and downs in this industry as far as pay goes would be severly amplified. (As if it is not bad enough already)
If any airline management thought this pay scale system was a bad idea, they would have done away with it years ago. Fact is they love it when the world is short on pilots, since the majority of most airline pilot groups are tied to the company for that very reason. On top of the pay scale seniority many other airlines have seniority bidding systems, so for them it is not just income, it is lifestyle as well.
Just my 2 cents
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Not to mention, Chrisstep thinks that we get a raise every year. You are wrong my man. We start at well bellow what our profession should earn. Unlike you, when you start at a new company, you start at a decent pay. We start at the bottom of the seniority list, at much lower pay, because we know that eventually we will see higher pay WHERE IT SHOULD bE.
The Airline companies love the seniority system. Like mentioned above, it saves them gaggles in training costs and retention. They would fight to the death any change to it. Without it, sure, pilot salaries might not rise as high, or maybe go even higher. But I can assure you that starting slaries would be MUCH higher, not 22,000 USD a year like some majors in the US.
As far as I'm concerned, the yearly increments I get are overdue adjustments to bring my salary up to where it should be when I started.
The Airline companies love the seniority system. Like mentioned above, it saves them gaggles in training costs and retention. They would fight to the death any change to it. Without it, sure, pilot salaries might not rise as high, or maybe go even higher. But I can assure you that starting slaries would be MUCH higher, not 22,000 USD a year like some majors in the US.
As far as I'm concerned, the yearly increments I get are overdue adjustments to bring my salary up to where it should be when I started.
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Pilot pay (in the U.S.) has fallen nearly 50% indexed to inflation in the past 15 years while...er, excuse me, whilst 
executive pay has risen on the order of several hundred percent.
I don't believe Adam Smith would welcome the economic oligarchy that is emerging worldwide.TC
executive pay has risen on the order of several hundred percent.I don't believe Adam Smith would welcome the economic oligarchy that is emerging worldwide.TC
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The executive pay A717driver refers to is only for a tiny proportion of people at the top of businesses - there are far less of them than there are airline pilots. For the vast bulk of us who are junior to middle manages times have been just as hard as for pilots.