implication of 3 man ULH?
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Facts checked carefully, including my log book. If you'd care to tell me where the fourth man was hiding on my last HKG I'd love to know as he certainly didn't turn up for his stint in the hotseat. If you don't believe me then go to the airport and count how many flight crew get off the BA25 or on the BA26. Alternatively you could just take the word of a BA 744 pilot such as myself. 12h45 flight time on a 12hr50 schedule with 3 crew, nice.
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Facts checked carefully, including my log book. If you'd care to tell me where the fourth man was hiding on my last HKG I'd love to know as he certainly didn't turn up for his stint in the hotseat. If you don't believe me then go to the airport and count how many flight crew get off the BA25 or on the BA26. Alternatively you could just take the word of a BA 744 pilot such as myself. 12h45 flight time on a 12hr50 schedule with 3 crew, nice.
i guess it is true then, 3man ULH in BA, only a matter of time here...:S
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Hand Solo is spot on, BA have three crew members on the BA25 and 26 in the summer months. Reduces the cost of a round at the Dickens significantly!
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Bit of thread creep
Not sure how relevant the fact that BA/ Air NZ or QF do 3 or 4 man (or person in the gender awareness age). Further, not sure if anyone is advocating it's a good idea...
However, if anyone is saying it seems to work fine for "X" airline and hence must be an OK idea.... then please state which of those airlines will roster 3man ULH with one person based in London, one person based in SYD (but on a 9 day pattern) and another based in HK, being a "low-time" pilot....
However, if anyone is saying it seems to work fine for "X" airline and hence must be an OK idea.... then please state which of those airlines will roster 3man ULH with one person based in London, one person based in SYD (but on a 9 day pattern) and another based in HK, being a "low-time" pilot....
I think you'll find, HS please correct if necessary, that the crews have a bigger rest period either side of each sector.
Wouldn't be possible for CX to do with present crewing arrangements.
Wouldn't be possible for CX to do with present crewing arrangements.
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BusyB you are correct as far as I am aware. The increased rest would negate the saving of the 3 man crew.
What BA/QF etc do is of no relevance to CX. Different animals.
What BA/QF etc do is of no relevance to CX. Different animals.
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BusyB - no change in the rest period for the BA25 AFAIK. Probably about 2-4 hours more time in HKG than the other flights due to the earlier arrival but the 25 doesn't attract any more rest back in the UK. It's 2 local nights just like the other HKG flights.
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Sorry Clarence but I'm not quite sure what rule changes you're on about. I did a 3 man HKG last week and I'm doing one next week too. No rule changes, it's been like that for at least the last three summers. And yes, it does suck.
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A while back you wrote the following with great authority...
Icao has agreed age 65 for captains for all jars ops related member states.
eec labour laws dictate early retirement is a no no to all eec member states
therefore all veta uk based employees can remain employed until this age on thier PRESENT TERMS AND CONDITIONS .
That proved to be a crock of shoite....
Handsolo has established his creditials as a BA 400 driver.... what are your creditials?.... either "put up" or "shut up".....
Icao has agreed age 65 for captains for all jars ops related member states.
eec labour laws dictate early retirement is a no no to all eec member states
therefore all veta uk based employees can remain employed until this age on thier PRESENT TERMS AND CONDITIONS .
That proved to be a crock of shoite....
Handsolo has established his creditials as a BA 400 driver.... what are your creditials?.... either "put up" or "shut up".....
Who's right?
Clarence sais one thing and Hand sais the other. Hand seems to be flying for BA on the -400. Is someone else out there who has done 3 man crew ULH on a BA 744 from LHR-HKG and back? I didn't think they did it at all so there are lots of us who are intrigued??..!! What does BALPA say?
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Dear Captain, due to roster disruption we are advising you and your crew you will not receive your required rest afforded to you in the AFTL’s. It’s legal!
Please advise
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Jagman1 - BALPA doesn't say very much about it. It's within FTLs and Bid Line Rules because BA moved the report at LHR to 17:55L which puts it 5 mins within the acceptable band for 3 crew. That said, it only takes 40 mins delay to trigger the Bid Line requirement for the fourth man (you can guess what Ops usually say when you ask for one) and a further 30 mins before you are into discretion, less if you are un-acclimatised. It's only 3 man for the summer season as the average flight time for the return leg in winter exceeds the Bid Line 3 crew limit. Were it not for the ruthless efficiency at the Hong Kong end and the lack of holding at LHR at the planned arrival time I doubt it would meet the 3 man limits even in the summer.
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Over the road from BA we at Virgin operate 3 man LHR-HKG. At least we do in the british winter{gmt versus bst}, and always 3 down to SYD. Like BA we change from 3 to 4 for half the year as FTL 'S become more limiting. Unlike my dark days with the silk PJ brigade we divide rest in a more gentlemanly fashion. ie, a 12 hour flt would have the extra pilot in bed for the first 2 and a half hours or so, followed by the PNF in bed for about 3 and a half, followed by the PF, and the extra in bed for the last 2 hours or so.
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Rumours
Hi Liam,
last time i checked this was a rumour network
However regarding Veta I am as baboozled as everyone one else how can one high court judge rule one way then another says something completely different.
As for 3 crew Ba I also have it on good authority that they will no longer be rostered sometime soon
and a bloody good job too
Caveat Emptor
last time i checked this was a rumour network
However regarding Veta I am as baboozled as everyone one else how can one high court judge rule one way then another says something completely different.
As for 3 crew Ba I also have it on good authority that they will no longer be rostered sometime soon
and a bloody good job too
Caveat Emptor