A Cathay Pacific Managers Dream
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A Cathay Pacific Managers Dream
I see that several Airline in the USA have ceased to operate recently and that would put many pilots unemployed.
Choose your answers wisely in the HKAOA survey as there are and will be many more pilots from the USA and other countries willing to take your position for your salary/benefits or less.
We will have many more applications from these airline pilots willing to join our freighter operations in North America and our DEFO positions on the 777-300ER in North America.
For those that hold EU passports, you may join our freighter operations in Europe or join our mainline operation through our DEFO positions in Europe.
Both DEFO positions are available and Direct Entry Commands (Rapid Commands) will be on offer to suitable pilots.
We envision many more airlines around the world ceasing to operate due to the high fuel costs which will only serve The Cathay Pacific Group well in terms of labour contracts.
Now tell me again, where is that shortage of pilots!
Here’s to lower pilot contracts.
To My Bonus.
The Management
Choose your answers wisely in the HKAOA survey as there are and will be many more pilots from the USA and other countries willing to take your position for your salary/benefits or less.
We will have many more applications from these airline pilots willing to join our freighter operations in North America and our DEFO positions on the 777-300ER in North America.
For those that hold EU passports, you may join our freighter operations in Europe or join our mainline operation through our DEFO positions in Europe.
Both DEFO positions are available and Direct Entry Commands (Rapid Commands) will be on offer to suitable pilots.
We envision many more airlines around the world ceasing to operate due to the high fuel costs which will only serve The Cathay Pacific Group well in terms of labour contracts.
Now tell me again, where is that shortage of pilots!
Here’s to lower pilot contracts.
To My Bonus.
The Management
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The Management
Only a true, God-made, indisputable pr!ck would give himself a user-name like that.
"Several airlines" going bankrupt? Name them, @55hole. A weekly browsing of FI does not a manager make. And, by "Rapid Command", do you perhaps refer to the world renowned "RAPID EXIT" course?
As for your "vision", we all know where that's got you thus far.
Bring it on M0R0N!
"Several airlines" going bankrupt? Name them, @55hole. A weekly browsing of FI does not a manager make. And, by "Rapid Command", do you perhaps refer to the world renowned "RAPID EXIT" course?
As for your "vision", we all know where that's got you thus far.
Bring it on M0R0N!
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We don’t care about quality, that is what we pay the captains for. This is why we have such an intense command course which is backed up by our Review Board.
Admire your selection of words regarding “BUMS” could not be more appropriate.
This is copied from another Pprune web site:
United stopped hiring
Delta stopped hiring
Continental stopped hiring
Northwest stopped hiring
Expressjet stopped hiring
Skywest stopped hiring
ASA stopped hiring
FedEx stopped hiring
UPS has stopped hiring
Expressjet is offering pilots unpaid leave of absences
United is grounding 15-20 737 aircraft
Delta is grounding 10? mainline aircraft
Northwest is grounding 24 DC-9 aircraft
Regional flying has been cut substantially
Comair, Skywest, Expressjet, ASA, Mesa, and others have had their regional contracted flying hours cut
Aloha Airlines filed for bankruptcy (again)
Skybus cut back almost 50% of their routes
Froniter sold 4 aircraft
Jetblue sold 6 aircraft
Big Sky went out of business
Skyway went out of business
Aloha went out of business
Champion Air went out of business
Edit: ATA out of business
We expect some to follow in Europe as well.
Not many older than 30 years of age will leave The Cathay Pacific Group to join the bottom of a Seniority list with their National Airline. Most have a rather large ego after flying shiny wide body aircraft to return to narrow bodies.
These national carriers you mentioned may continue to hire but not at a rate some pilots are expecting. We may have some of our younger pilots leave as they still have a future in their national airline but they run the risk of being at the bottom of a seniority list. Most will not take that risk.
Due to high oil prices how many will take the risk with new start-ups like Jetstar or Virgin Blue. How long will they remain in business compared to The Cathay Pacific Group. They may not last two years and then where do you find employment?
Educate me on which pilot group will leave for the above carriers?
I will give you our synopsis:
Senior Captains: Senior Captains are extending on lesser conditions.
Captains: Most are in their 40’s and will not leave to join the bottom of a seniority list as an first officer. None will contract out in other countries i.e. Korea, India, etc. unless we terminate their contract.
Junior Captains: Most are in their 30’s with wide body commands and will not leave to join BA, LH etc. at the bottom of the list as first officers.
Senior First Officers: Too close to a shiny wide body command.
First Officers: Not many are willing to start at the bottom as first officers.
Junior First Officers: May get a few depending on age. Only the younger ones may leave. Most will not, they are in the flying seat of a wide body.
Second Officers: Some may leave again depending on age and retirement age but these seats can be easily filled with the minimum amount of training. Young second officers joining will see their command in 15-18 years which still put them under 40 years of age.
Freighter Europe and North America: most are too old and where will they go? The younger captains took early commands to fly shiny wide-body aircraft and take their base. They are older now, where will they go?
From an age perspective not many will leave above the age of 30 and we expect a small amount to leave under that age.
So tell me, where is the shortage of pilots?
Looking forward to cutting your contract to the lowest common denominator.
To My Bonus.
The Management.
Admire your selection of words regarding “BUMS” could not be more appropriate.
This is copied from another Pprune web site:
United stopped hiring
Delta stopped hiring
Continental stopped hiring
Northwest stopped hiring
Expressjet stopped hiring
Skywest stopped hiring
ASA stopped hiring
FedEx stopped hiring
UPS has stopped hiring
Expressjet is offering pilots unpaid leave of absences
United is grounding 15-20 737 aircraft
Delta is grounding 10? mainline aircraft
Northwest is grounding 24 DC-9 aircraft
Regional flying has been cut substantially
Comair, Skywest, Expressjet, ASA, Mesa, and others have had their regional contracted flying hours cut
Aloha Airlines filed for bankruptcy (again)
Skybus cut back almost 50% of their routes
Froniter sold 4 aircraft
Jetblue sold 6 aircraft
Big Sky went out of business
Skyway went out of business
Aloha went out of business
Champion Air went out of business
Edit: ATA out of business
We expect some to follow in Europe as well.
Not many older than 30 years of age will leave The Cathay Pacific Group to join the bottom of a Seniority list with their National Airline. Most have a rather large ego after flying shiny wide body aircraft to return to narrow bodies.
These national carriers you mentioned may continue to hire but not at a rate some pilots are expecting. We may have some of our younger pilots leave as they still have a future in their national airline but they run the risk of being at the bottom of a seniority list. Most will not take that risk.
Due to high oil prices how many will take the risk with new start-ups like Jetstar or Virgin Blue. How long will they remain in business compared to The Cathay Pacific Group. They may not last two years and then where do you find employment?
Educate me on which pilot group will leave for the above carriers?
I will give you our synopsis:
Senior Captains: Senior Captains are extending on lesser conditions.
Captains: Most are in their 40’s and will not leave to join the bottom of a seniority list as an first officer. None will contract out in other countries i.e. Korea, India, etc. unless we terminate their contract.
Junior Captains: Most are in their 30’s with wide body commands and will not leave to join BA, LH etc. at the bottom of the list as first officers.
Senior First Officers: Too close to a shiny wide body command.
First Officers: Not many are willing to start at the bottom as first officers.
Junior First Officers: May get a few depending on age. Only the younger ones may leave. Most will not, they are in the flying seat of a wide body.
Second Officers: Some may leave again depending on age and retirement age but these seats can be easily filled with the minimum amount of training. Young second officers joining will see their command in 15-18 years which still put them under 40 years of age.
Freighter Europe and North America: most are too old and where will they go? The younger captains took early commands to fly shiny wide-body aircraft and take their base. They are older now, where will they go?
From an age perspective not many will leave above the age of 30 and we expect a small amount to leave under that age.
So tell me, where is the shortage of pilots?
Looking forward to cutting your contract to the lowest common denominator.
To My Bonus.
The Management.
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So tell me, where is the shortage of pilots?
You better do your recession dance now and hope it comes fast and hard or things will really get interesting in 6-12 months.
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More drivel from Moron-Mouth quoting PPRuNe as his best management information source. Good thing you're not really a manager. Perhaps the moderator could let slip with the IP addresses that t0sser frequents and the rest of us can arrange his fine-tuning.
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Children
Get a dictionary; look up the word irony. Then go outside and have a word with yourselves. Come back in and then re-read the posts by "The Management".
Perhaps, then, and only then, will you appreciate the true value of his posts!
Perhaps, then, and only then, will you appreciate the true value of his posts!
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....and anyway, the contracts quoted HERE http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=321124
are the TRUE CX managers dream.......
are the TRUE CX managers dream.......
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Exactly. Over here irony is a word included in the vocabulary of even small children. But hey, you guys, don't feel bad about having to look it up; after all, you're only minority shareholders in the language.
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This is ppruneland; things are seldom what they seem. "The Management" is not what some people think and I suspect our friend is not a native of Chicago (unless Chicago is now in Southern Africa).
It does, however, alarm me that if people can't see the angles that "The Management" is running, how can they deal with Vol2 Pt2 or a poorly worded MEL (and there a few of them about)
It does, however, alarm me that if people can't see the angles that "The Management" is running, how can they deal with Vol2 Pt2 or a poorly worded MEL (and there a few of them about)
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Hey Liam,
What makes you think that you know what people think or assume? Call it irony or just crap it is irrelevant if The Management is real or not.
People comment on posts to communicate their feelings regardless of the authenticity of the author they are responding to. So let's just play the game and call him the villain so we have a target to respond to.
What makes you think that you know what people think or assume? Call it irony or just crap it is irrelevant if The Management is real or not.
People comment on posts to communicate their feelings regardless of the authenticity of the author they are responding to. So let's just play the game and call him the villain so we have a target to respond to.
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You really don't get it.
From what you have said, I am correct regarding your thoughts.
However, he's no villian... he's trying to motivate you to take action against the company... he's a cheerleader for the AOA/CPU.
Still; you're not as deluded/angry as ACMS who could only cope by moving "The Management" to his banned list.
If you need to believe in the bogeyman: go right ahead; however responding to him in an agressive manner is similar to masterbation.... you have the right to do so; but not in public please... it's not a spectator sport...
From what you have said, I am correct regarding your thoughts.
However, he's no villian... he's trying to motivate you to take action against the company... he's a cheerleader for the AOA/CPU.
Still; you're not as deluded/angry as ACMS who could only cope by moving "The Management" to his banned list.
If you need to believe in the bogeyman: go right ahead; however responding to him in an agressive manner is similar to masterbation.... you have the right to do so; but not in public please... it's not a spectator sport...
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What A bunch of As***es !!
Would you really want to get involved in this happy little team ???
Old managers leave , new b*m boys fill their shoes. If it wasn't so sad it could be funny.
Would you really want to get involved in this happy little team ???
Old managers leave , new b*m boys fill their shoes. If it wasn't so sad it could be funny.
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our management
Dear Mr. Management,
I read your posts with interest and sometimes disbelief. Needless to say I respect your point of view and with hopes you do the same with others, I humbly give my opinion.
“Your airline” was created on the vision and effort of the real management and their followers. Call them management, pilots, ground staff, engineers, cabin crew… They were a team. Not anymore. It is through post and ideas like yours that many are flooding off to other pastures, they may not be greener, darker or otherwise, they are simply others. De-motivated, angry, lacking passion or disappointed would be a wiser term. Markets come and go, but service and customer loyalty are forever. That has never changed and even with the tight grip of closing competition it will always stand. Passengers on our cherished airline continue to be so due to the name and confidence it has created throughout the years, it’s safety record and personal efforts name so. The tone of your posts will only continue to erode our lack of confidence. I humbly and unrequestedly speak for all the professionals and otherwise that serve our employer.
It is with such negativism that others view our profession and our job, our very particular job. You will not be able to find adequate future replacements to our ever eroding leadership. Be it in the cockpit or the office. Tell me now, who can replace a crew relations manager that gave more than it was required, more than anyone dream off for its co-workers? Why would the best chiefs continue to take basings and make their daily sacrifice if there is no support from those that are supposed to stand by their side? Why would you have officers joining the training machine if they have little to add but frustration and discouragement? I sometimes wonder. Giants, like dinosaurs, have their time. So have you.
Ours is a very worthwhile profession to pursue and many will follow. Not here. The roots have become soaked in nitrogen, the trunk polished off to bare wood leaving no cork for the next season, our leaves tarnished with fumes. A sad tree to nest on, if you ask me.
I take your posts very personal as they are an attack to the core of my personal believes. You are a joker and a good one. But you do make a good point.
Cheers to your bonus!
I read your posts with interest and sometimes disbelief. Needless to say I respect your point of view and with hopes you do the same with others, I humbly give my opinion.
“Your airline” was created on the vision and effort of the real management and their followers. Call them management, pilots, ground staff, engineers, cabin crew… They were a team. Not anymore. It is through post and ideas like yours that many are flooding off to other pastures, they may not be greener, darker or otherwise, they are simply others. De-motivated, angry, lacking passion or disappointed would be a wiser term. Markets come and go, but service and customer loyalty are forever. That has never changed and even with the tight grip of closing competition it will always stand. Passengers on our cherished airline continue to be so due to the name and confidence it has created throughout the years, it’s safety record and personal efforts name so. The tone of your posts will only continue to erode our lack of confidence. I humbly and unrequestedly speak for all the professionals and otherwise that serve our employer.
It is with such negativism that others view our profession and our job, our very particular job. You will not be able to find adequate future replacements to our ever eroding leadership. Be it in the cockpit or the office. Tell me now, who can replace a crew relations manager that gave more than it was required, more than anyone dream off for its co-workers? Why would the best chiefs continue to take basings and make their daily sacrifice if there is no support from those that are supposed to stand by their side? Why would you have officers joining the training machine if they have little to add but frustration and discouragement? I sometimes wonder. Giants, like dinosaurs, have their time. So have you.
Ours is a very worthwhile profession to pursue and many will follow. Not here. The roots have become soaked in nitrogen, the trunk polished off to bare wood leaving no cork for the next season, our leaves tarnished with fumes. A sad tree to nest on, if you ask me.
I take your posts very personal as they are an attack to the core of my personal believes. You are a joker and a good one. But you do make a good point.
Cheers to your bonus!