Crew Shortage
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Crew Shortage
CX870 23rd Oct - No FO, or maybe there is now...
CX880 26th Oct - No FO
CX870 27th Oct - No FO
CX884 27th Oct - No FO
CX880 27th Oct - No FO
CX888 28th Oct - No Capt
CX880 29th Oct - No FO
CX870 29th Oct - No FO
CX872 29th Oct - No FO
We would appreciate any available officers who are willing to assist by working on G days to help address this minor crewing problem. Please do us a favour and call.
I AM Being Watched
CX880 26th Oct - No FO
CX870 27th Oct - No FO
CX884 27th Oct - No FO
CX880 27th Oct - No FO
CX888 28th Oct - No Capt
CX880 29th Oct - No FO
CX870 29th Oct - No FO
CX872 29th Oct - No FO
We would appreciate any available officers who are willing to assist by working on G days to help address this minor crewing problem. Please do us a favour and call.
I AM Being Watched
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Captains will be asked to use discretion either before the flight or when they sign on. Most will do it, why do you ask? Out of fear of course.
First Officers will be taken off the Europe flights to crew those flights to North America leaving the 3-man operation to Europe. Thanks for your help and your names have been noted when it comes to upgrade assessments
Most of those flights will operate 3-man crew paving the way for our new AFTL’s. We wish to thank each and every Captain on these and other flight for helping us with this task. Your names have been duly noted.
Thank you from the Top of My Bonus.
The Management
Yes you are being watched. Just like the Emirates road show.
First Officers will be taken off the Europe flights to crew those flights to North America leaving the 3-man operation to Europe. Thanks for your help and your names have been noted when it comes to upgrade assessments
Most of those flights will operate 3-man crew paving the way for our new AFTL’s. We wish to thank each and every Captain on these and other flight for helping us with this task. Your names have been duly noted.
Thank you from the Top of My Bonus.
The Management
Yes you are being watched. Just like the Emirates road show.
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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-analysis.html
You guys in Hong Kong are never going to stand up and put your jobs on the line for a better contract.
Wait 'til CX on-shores in the USA. What's that guy's name, Tom Wychor, the union militant, enlisted by ALPA to mount a national drive...?
We'll see...
You guys in Hong Kong are never going to stand up and put your jobs on the line for a better contract.
Wait 'til CX on-shores in the USA. What's that guy's name, Tom Wychor, the union militant, enlisted by ALPA to mount a national drive...?
We'll see...
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Another trick..
Here's another way that CC get to solve their problem (at our cost, in time, in reduced wages and poorer conditions):
FO in Europe accidentally answers the phone in the morning on (say) Monday and agrees/gets talked into/gets intimidated into operating on Tuesday. He likes this because his published roster had him operating on the Monday, which is why he didn't worry too much about picking up the phone. "Cool", he thinks: extra day at home.
The rest of the original crew (now down to 3-men) turn up to work on Monday afternoon to find a message from CC that says: "So sorry Captain, your FO has called in sick, roster disruption, blah, blah, must operate 3-man to HKG".
He duly does this and this is how CC wins another round! (The only other available FO for Tueday's flight was into severe overtime).
DO NOT ANSWER THE PHONE! BREAK THE HABIT!
FO in Europe accidentally answers the phone in the morning on (say) Monday and agrees/gets talked into/gets intimidated into operating on Tuesday. He likes this because his published roster had him operating on the Monday, which is why he didn't worry too much about picking up the phone. "Cool", he thinks: extra day at home.
The rest of the original crew (now down to 3-men) turn up to work on Monday afternoon to find a message from CC that says: "So sorry Captain, your FO has called in sick, roster disruption, blah, blah, must operate 3-man to HKG".
He duly does this and this is how CC wins another round! (The only other available FO for Tueday's flight was into severe overtime).
DO NOT ANSWER THE PHONE! BREAK THE HABIT!
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Yes that is how it works.
I hope evidence is being collected to prove this fact. I do belive that if this can be proven then CX might get contacted by the CAD. Its simply and illigal rostering practice. Lets nail them!
I hope evidence is being collected to prove this fact. I do belive that if this can be proven then CX might get contacted by the CAD. Its simply and illigal rostering practice. Lets nail them!
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Evidence.
The GMA operates with the CAD's Condonance.
The GMA is a very good servant, he does what he is told and does it effectively. Most importantly he is feared by all pilots and when he speaks it is scripture. It is never challenged by any pilot or your AOA. The AOA fears him the most.
The CAD really has no say in this matter, they do what they are told by their boss which gets told by Swire. This is all done at the Hong Kong Club over a bottle of cognac. You are so naïve.
So go and collect your evidence, it makes for good recycling.
Your AOA is only good at collecting dust and they do what they are told.
Here's to my bonus.
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The GMA operates with the CAD's Condonance.
The GMA is a very good servant, he does what he is told and does it effectively. Most importantly he is feared by all pilots and when he speaks it is scripture. It is never challenged by any pilot or your AOA. The AOA fears him the most.
The CAD really has no say in this matter, they do what they are told by their boss which gets told by Swire. This is all done at the Hong Kong Club over a bottle of cognac. You are so naïve.
So go and collect your evidence, it makes for good recycling.
Your AOA is only good at collecting dust and they do what they are told.
Here's to my bonus.
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Quotes from Flex's link
What was the Captain doing:
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... had been working more than 13 hours when the accident took place and had also exceeded maximum duty several times in the days preceding the crash.
unquote.
I also speak as someone that allowed himself to be worked on several occasions for 24hr duty + and 16hrs of flight (and I realise there are many that have, and continue to do so) with a freight operation.
And it caught up with me in the end.
So, if any folks are reading this; yes you might be able to handle it. Yes, others might frequently get away with it. Have a 2 minute think about the possible consequences.
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... had been working more than 13 hours when the accident took place and had also exceeded maximum duty several times in the days preceding the crash.
unquote.
I also speak as someone that allowed himself to be worked on several occasions for 24hr duty + and 16hrs of flight (and I realise there are many that have, and continue to do so) with a freight operation.
And it caught up with me in the end.
So, if any folks are reading this; yes you might be able to handle it. Yes, others might frequently get away with it. Have a 2 minute think about the possible consequences.
Think about the consequences if something happens, surely the GMA will not come to your rescue after using discretion. The Captain will wear it all as he is the one that used discretion, not the GMA.
After the accident the GMA will state; “The Captain had the option not to continue the duty, request extra crew but choose to use his discretion” yada, yada yada……………..
Me thinks the CX Captains don’t have the ba11s not to go into discretion. It’s that fear thingy again.
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And the public will do what?
They know you are million dollar morons; our PR team has made sure of that.
What’s next, contract compliance, don’t answer your phone, don’t fly the freighter, don’t use discretion, don’t look at crew direct, etc. Not sure what world you are living in. Pilots are very fearful of their jobs and upgrades.
The young pilots are so naïve and the older ones are scared. None of the above will ever happen.
Put in on your Christmas list to Santa.
Here is to my huge bonus again this year, it keeps getting better.
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They know you are million dollar morons; our PR team has made sure of that.
What’s next, contract compliance, don’t answer your phone, don’t fly the freighter, don’t use discretion, don’t look at crew direct, etc. Not sure what world you are living in. Pilots are very fearful of their jobs and upgrades.
The young pilots are so naïve and the older ones are scared. None of the above will ever happen.
Put in on your Christmas list to Santa.
Here is to my huge bonus again this year, it keeps getting better.
The Management
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CC Callouts
I was in Lon rescently and CC called my Rm phone & mobile in the middle of the night. I listened to the msg.
It said ' Call us back immediately we have an urgent msg for you'
I immediately hung up the phone & called my wife to see if she was ok.
(Yes- she's was fine. The buggers were playing tricks told her not to talk to CC nor did i phone back)
Nxt moring (After tossing & turning trying to get back to sleep. hating being woken up) at pickup was glad to see all crew there.
They had all experienced the same call - CX begging them to call back.
The SO had answered his mobile not knowing how its was. After listening about a shortage on a B744F crew in Malan italy to India. He told them they'd being drinking & so had he and said good bye.
The other two pilots also told them to shove it!
Can u imagine !! They would have then flown HKG with 3 Crew.
& Bye they way I flew one of those above flights & a replacement crew who was called by CC had made some neg with CC.
I mean please what is this? Everone for himself neg for each flight. Leaving all ur junk for us on Res etc.. You got to be f...
i'll rather keep quite.
Come Guys this is our only weapon! Don't let CC srew u.
And always take an extra 2 Tons of fuel. THe vis (polution) in HK sucks in the winter u might not see the Rwy etc..
It said ' Call us back immediately we have an urgent msg for you'
I immediately hung up the phone & called my wife to see if she was ok.
(Yes- she's was fine. The buggers were playing tricks told her not to talk to CC nor did i phone back)
Nxt moring (After tossing & turning trying to get back to sleep.
hating being woken up) at pickup was glad to see all crew there. They had all experienced the same call - CX begging them to call back.
The SO had answered his mobile not knowing how its was. After listening about a shortage on a B744F crew in Malan italy to India. He told them they'd being drinking & so had he and said good bye.
The other two pilots also told them to shove it!
Can u imagine !! They would have then flown HKG with 3 Crew.
& Bye they way I flew one of those above flights & a replacement crew who was called by CC had made some neg with CC.
I mean please what is this? Everone for himself neg for each flight. Leaving all ur junk for us on Res etc.. You got to be f...
i'll rather keep quite. Come Guys this is our only weapon! Don't let CC srew u.
And always take an extra 2 Tons of fuel. THe vis (polution) in HK sucks in the winter u might not see the Rwy etc..
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Just been called by CC using a non standard number but still with 2747 prefix, unfortunately for them its an O day for me and I forgot to call back. (my wife mistakenly answered, so I had to make an adjustment)
No doubt it will ring again tomorrow, is there a crew shortage?????
)No doubt it will ring again tomorrow, is there a crew shortage?????
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Both FOs on a recent North American flight, return to HKG looking forward to a few days off (Os and Gs) but are asked to operate long haul the next day! One was to Europe and the other back to NA! Both declined!
Can you legally go from NA and then to Europe the next day?
Can you legally go from NA and then to Europe the next day?
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Whether it is legal or not, our interpretation of the AFTL’s is ours and ours alone. We interpert the AFTL’s to work for us, not you.
You do what we tell you, if not, we will terminate your contract and you know it. AFTL’s are for guidance only. The GMA and the Head of Scheduling had sat down and worked very hard on their own interpretation of the AFTL’s and that is how it works.
Do your really believe that any pilot will question the legality of what crew control tell them? Very few and we know who they are, we are keeping notes.
Enjoy your new COS and here’s to my bonus.
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You do what we tell you, if not, we will terminate your contract and you know it. AFTL’s are for guidance only. The GMA and the Head of Scheduling had sat down and worked very hard on their own interpretation of the AFTL’s and that is how it works.
Do your really believe that any pilot will question the legality of what crew control tell them? Very few and we know who they are, we are keeping notes.
Enjoy your new COS and here’s to my bonus.
The Management