Resignations at KA
Resignations at KA
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: Hong Kong
Started with 9 Captains, 3 resignations to date, 1 long term sick & another 2 with applications in elswehere. 2 of the 3 resignations have come without formal job offers elswehere (ie they just had to get out).
Despite the poor HKRO contract, its not just these guys who are resigning. Manchester & Local contract guys are also resigning, an indication of how deeply the rot has set in. The Gmo & his not so able 744 fleet manager are entirely responsible for the mess they find themselves in, although no doubt they'll rustle up a another scapegoat (can't blame the HKRO guys anymore, they're almost gone!). As they are finding, if you threaten people with termination long enough, eventually they'll walk of their own accord.
The HKRO F/O's have their names on a blacklist somewhere so they may not find it easy to eject.
Despite the poor HKRO contract, its not just these guys who are resigning. Manchester & Local contract guys are also resigning, an indication of how deeply the rot has set in. The Gmo & his not so able 744 fleet manager are entirely responsible for the mess they find themselves in, although no doubt they'll rustle up a another scapegoat (can't blame the HKRO guys anymore, they're almost gone!). As they are finding, if you threaten people with termination long enough, eventually they'll walk of their own accord.
The HKRO F/O's have their names on a blacklist somewhere so they may not find it easy to eject.
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KA are in terminal decline. I suspect that CX is actually hoping to weed out those who don't have the 'stamina' to endure. Once they have culled these miscreants...they will start to move some of our SO's and jrFO's over to the Airbus fleet. Eventually KA will be an seperate airline in name only.
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Joined: Feb 2002
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From: UK
Actually Vermin, I think that you will find those command slots will be taken by current Captains moving over to the 400. Overall there are very few extra command slots available over our current number.
MAN based FOs who do not wish to go to HKG (of which there are many) will be sitting in the right hand seat for at least the next 2 1/2 years. There may be a couple of Classic command slots in the immediate future but these are going to dry up completely as they phase out the aeroplane. All future commands at MAN will be on the 400 and will be taken by current Classic Captains or HKG based Airbus Captains.
With a 4% pay rise offer on the table, I don't see much incentive for junior FOs to stay.
MAN based FOs who do not wish to go to HKG (of which there are many) will be sitting in the right hand seat for at least the next 2 1/2 years. There may be a couple of Classic command slots in the immediate future but these are going to dry up completely as they phase out the aeroplane. All future commands at MAN will be on the 400 and will be taken by current Classic Captains or HKG based Airbus Captains.
With a 4% pay rise offer on the table, I don't see much incentive for junior FOs to stay.
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From: HK- A little bit of industrial China in every breath you take.
To add fuel to the fire, didnt they sell of the sim centre last week? Also, went in the training side, and you could have heard crickets if the polution didnt kill them all.... Word is that no one turned up for the september course? Any truth to these rumours?
So now, they cant even replace the guys leaving! Interesting times if it is true.
Joe, I think you might find Vermin was taking the p!ss. Command flood? Bwahahaha!!!!
So now, they cant even replace the guys leaving! Interesting times if it is true.
Joe, I think you might find Vermin was taking the p!ss. Command flood? Bwahahaha!!!!
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From: York International
JB I would agree that things are bleak for MAN based FOs. I was told that all training stopped on classic now but as you say maybe a couple of commands, but why bother when the first aircraft goes next year and there aren't enough FOs on the classic so you don't need the CNs.
Any FO will then have to wait at least two years plus and that is the FOs who have only just missed out on recent commands, with all the current classic CNs ahead in the queue for the 400. Then if CX don't give us any more than the 7 jets then further commands will be very slow, for new joiners it will be many years.
Any FO will then have to wait at least two years plus and that is the FOs who have only just missed out on recent commands, with all the current classic CNs ahead in the queue for the 400. Then if CX don't give us any more than the 7 jets then further commands will be very slow, for new joiners it will be many years.
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From: York International
Resettlement course
Hi Buzz, good idea to get another rating before you leave in fact its a must if on the classic.
Of course this plan is very popular on the -400. KA is now the Oasis training department.
Of course this plan is very popular on the -400. KA is now the Oasis training department.
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From: home
Since getting ratings seems the latest fashion!
I hope 2nd floor realize, that most of the local guys have UK passports or elligble to work in EU, can bid on MAN to get the 400 rating, and then jump to the neighbours.
clusterf%^k in the making
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I hope 2nd floor realize, that most of the local guys have UK passports or elligble to work in EU, can bid on MAN to get the 400 rating, and then jump to the neighbours.
clusterf%^k in the making
s
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From: York International
Probation
Another little known fact is that if you transfer from Dragonair to FCS or vica versa then you become probationary again for 6 months and only have to give one months notice to quit.
They used that clause on PW when he failed his 320 conversion. What goes around etc!
They used that clause on PW when he failed his 320 conversion. What goes around etc!
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From: Blighty
That wasn't the case with me. And those 74C F/Os thinking about converting to the Airbus LHS - think again. You will find yourself in the RHS again if you don't have extensive prior Airbus experience!
