"Command Bypass Pay" clarification
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"Command Bypass Pay" clarification
Ladies, Gents,
My apologies if this has been answered elsewhere. I haven't seen it in any of the threads relating to the upcoming "deal".
When does one qualify for Command Bypass Pay under CoS '99? Section 10.3 states:
My apologies if this has been answered elsewhere. I haven't seen it in any of the threads relating to the upcoming "deal".
When does one qualify for Command Bypass Pay under CoS '99? Section 10.3 states:
"Officers categorised as "Category D" will not be eligible for Command Bypass Pay."
If I'm the most senior F/O and one captain extends past 55:- Do I get bypass pay immediately ( I don't think so)?
- Do I get it as back pay after passing the course?
- Do I get it when passing the 3-bar check?
- Do I get it when categorised as anything other the "Category D", and given that categorisation doesn't seem to be announced until just before a course date - do I then get back bay?
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From: 'round here
Haven't had a good look at it yet but I would be surprised if it was that easy for an f/o who is potentially looking at 14 years plus to command to turn around and stay on the old COS and get bypass pay for 5-7 years for it. That would be a large oversight for the company especially as so few get bypass pay now.
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Bottom line...they'll give it to someone to prove bypass pay is actually paid but consider it winning the lottery!
Most will never meet all of the conditions and be in the right place at the right time!
Most will never meet all of the conditions and be in the right place at the right time!
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From: Some where
Me best mate just said that EK will conduct "open interviews" in Hong Kong next month.
The event will be conducted at the Novotel in Tung Chung.
I guess they saw the deal and see that they can steal a couple experienced Cathay guys.
The event will be conducted at the Novotel in Tung Chung.
I guess they saw the deal and see that they can steal a couple experienced Cathay guys.
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jizz, does that mean if the delay to command is four years, and they cat A you two weeks before your course, you are entitled to 2 weeks bypass pay only (i.e. you were only an eligible candidate for two weeks)?
CoS '99 specifically mentions that you are ineligible if you are cat D.
Can anyone confirm this?
CoS '99 specifically mentions that you are ineligible if you are cat D.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Am I correct in thinking they would only assess n number of FOs when they need n number of captains in the near future?
If that is the case, even if I stay on CoS99, I would only be assessed within a few months of a course date, making me eligible for bypass pay for just 2-3 months. This means what I get in return for an extra 3+ years as an FO is 2-3 months of bypass pay.
3x12x(difference between SFO X and CN 1 monthly pay) versus 2 or 3 x the difference in CoS99 monthly pay
mmm.......
If that is the case, even if I stay on CoS99, I would only be assessed within a few months of a course date, making me eligible for bypass pay for just 2-3 months. This means what I get in return for an extra 3+ years as an FO is 2-3 months of bypass pay.
3x12x(difference between SFO X and CN 1 monthly pay) versus 2 or 3 x the difference in CoS99 monthly pay
mmm.......
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The CoS are very specific on bypass pay. If you're cat "D" or decline a command course then you don't get it. If you're neither of the above then you do. Many people are now questioning whether the company are being honest with their payment of bypass pay and I suggest that everyone who's interested write to the AOA to ask them for clarification. ie. "I would like to know how many captains have been extended and how many F/O's are currently being paid bypass pay".
I've tried asking the question a couple of times but have been batted off the first time and ignored the second. The more people who ask then the harder it is to ignore. I think that they don't see the importance of it the same way that I do!
I've tried asking the question a couple of times but have been batted off the first time and ignored the second. The more people who ask then the harder it is to ignore. I think that they don't see the importance of it the same way that I do!
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From: hkg
Gents bypass Pay is being paid to a considerable amount of F/O's being Cat B does not make you lose the payment. Basically every F/O who is getting paid bypass pay is in this category anyway so please have another look at your contract JizzMonkey.
You only have to go up to the third floor and ask if you really are so concerned about it.
You only have to go up to the third floor and ask if you really are so concerned about it.
Last edited by Hkgdriver; 17th August 2007 at 13:30. Reason: spelling
