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There might only be a handfull (I see a bit more than that though) of pilots "bitching" about the worlds most admired airline (ohhh yes!) - but those "few" represent a hole lot more, mate. 
About walking the walk.. There a many ways to do that 2. Some guys, and more than a few, has already done that - dont think anybody want to refuse that fact anymore - other are about to do (knowing thats relative). Hot air.. well for some - sure - for others - dont think so. A bunch dudes simply havnt got the guts and are too stuck into walking behind Nigel, and have become to dependent on the money thing, most just dont admit it or have become ignorant to the fact, that thats what they actually do. Mate, I see them all to often, and its nasty!
The greener paths are out there - thats a fact! Good luck to the ones who are still free.. Walk the walk
About walking the walk.. There a many ways to do that 2. Some guys, and more than a few, has already done that - dont think anybody want to refuse that fact anymore - other are about to do (knowing thats relative). Hot air.. well for some - sure - for others - dont think so. A bunch dudes simply havnt got the guts and are too stuck into walking behind Nigel, and have become to dependent on the money thing, most just dont admit it or have become ignorant to the fact, that thats what they actually do. Mate, I see them all to often, and its nasty!
The greener paths are out there - thats a fact! Good luck to the ones who are still free.. Walk the walk
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Interesting isn't it HotDog, a young buck like Yeager tries to tell me that because I suggest he might be naive, (with his whole eighteen years in aviation!), it must be me that is naive! Dream on Yeager, I have been 'phoned and I have made the initial call, it happens all the time. As has been mentioned, aviation is a very small world and no CP will wish upon another CP some a'hole who does a 'walk-off', or similar, or who takes to a public forum to denigrate his former employer before he has actually left them. Don't imagine, for one minute, that Easyjet don't know exactly who Hostile is, for instance.
As I said on another thread, you know what's really sad? The number of discussions that get hijacked by a pathetic minority of employees with some kind of axe to grind. It's little wonder that the vast majority of CX pilots don't bother with Pprune these days.
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Well,
Parabell old fellow, it just doesnt seem so in this case, now, does it!
Im getting the feeling that you feel old and sad, judging from you post. Bet u wanna carry on till 60 and possibly 65, right?
At least we agree on 1 think. Aiation is a small world (maybe not as small as you wander around beliving though
). Guys are getting to know AND choose where to come for their careers - GOOD! 
Maybe thats the main reason why so many KA and CX interviewers are being left almost empty handed after recruitment days (orr ohh noo its the "high" requirements - whatever )
If you, Parabell, think that CX, just 2 take an obvious example (it is after all the worlds most admired airline, right!
), are calling previous employers, maybe you should do a bit more of research into just that - cause I can confirm that they didn't call mine, and 100% of the other dudes I asked - just for info. 
Anyways - keep smiling and researching.
Parabell old fellow, it just doesnt seem so in this case, now, does it!
Im getting the feeling that you feel old and sad, judging from you post. Bet u wanna carry on till 60 and possibly 65, right? At least we agree on 1 think. Aiation is a small world (maybe not as small as you wander around beliving though
). Guys are getting to know AND choose where to come for their careers - GOOD! Maybe thats the main reason why so many KA and CX interviewers are being left almost empty handed after recruitment days (orr ohh noo its the "high" requirements - whatever ) If you, Parabell, think that CX, just 2 take an obvious example (it is after all the worlds most admired airline, right!
), are calling previous employers, maybe you should do a bit more of research into just that - cause I can confirm that they didn't call mine, and 100% of the other dudes I asked - just for info. Anyways - keep smiling and researching.
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CX is my 4th airline (by far the worst) and they didn't call any of my 3 previous employers when I decided to go to HK (bad move) and take the plunge towards the deep end. I kinda wished they did and prevented me from getting hired here.
As for people leaving, didn't a guy on the Vancouver base bail a few months ago for of all places, an airline in Angola?!?!
That there speaks volumes about how terrible CX is!! I mean, he would rather fly in Angola!! and he's not even from Africa! (not that there's anything wrong with Africa).
I wonder if he could give me a recommendation.
As for people leaving, didn't a guy on the Vancouver base bail a few months ago for of all places, an airline in Angola?!?!
That there speaks volumes about how terrible CX is!! I mean, he would rather fly in Angola!! and he's not even from Africa! (not that there's anything wrong with Africa).
I wonder if he could give me a recommendation.
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He 's gone back to his previous company and they didn't seem to be too concerned.
Airlines carry out their own assessments, the "phone call" (in Europe in particular) is made for airport security Id requirements, proof of experience and to ensure you haven't bent one in the past. Most airlines would have you start tomorrow if they could and don't give a flying
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k what your previous CP thought. The bigger outfits have their recruitment panels that might or might not include "the CP", Flight Ops Manager these days.
Intimidation tactics like these might have worked in places of limited opportunities like oz and nz where most spent their first 10 of 18 years in the business flying around 210s, 402s, kingairs and the rest.
Those days are long gone.
Airlines carry out their own assessments, the "phone call" (in Europe in particular) is made for airport security Id requirements, proof of experience and to ensure you haven't bent one in the past. Most airlines would have you start tomorrow if they could and don't give a flying
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k what your previous CP thought. The bigger outfits have their recruitment panels that might or might not include "the CP", Flight Ops Manager these days. Intimidation tactics like these might have worked in places of limited opportunities like oz and nz where most spent their first 10 of 18 years in the business flying around 210s, 402s, kingairs and the rest.
Those days are long gone.
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It strikes me there is a lot of disfavor amongst the pilots groups.
Its not only CX, but Atlas/Polar, AAI, Emirates, QF. Look at any
other thread and you see the same complaints, same song, different
dance. One wonders if this is a reflective state of the industry or
the mindset of the new age of aviation. Maybe the problems
could be solved if pilots could witness the "Greener pastures"
first hand, sort of like a trade amongst teams, and then reflect
on their own problems with a fresh view of what is actually worse.
Its not only CX, but Atlas/Polar, AAI, Emirates, QF. Look at any
other thread and you see the same complaints, same song, different
dance. One wonders if this is a reflective state of the industry or
the mindset of the new age of aviation. Maybe the problems
could be solved if pilots could witness the "Greener pastures"
first hand, sort of like a trade amongst teams, and then reflect
on their own problems with a fresh view of what is actually worse.
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Dream on Inciter, my flying has been Europe, Middle and Far East, nothing in Oz or NZ and the culture of checking on a potential employee, regardless of the size of the airline, is alive and kicking if there is any doubt about the individual.
Obviously C152 Capt, Yeager etc. didn't give cause for any doubt at their interviews.
My initial post concerning 'phone calls was misleading, if a person fronts to an interview with a plausible tale and fits the bill then no, no 'phone calls but if someone does a runner, breaks a bond etc.etc. then a new employer is quite likely to be suspicious if they find out and may well check through the network. This thread is about someone who got sacked, that would raise my doubts, for sure.
Obviously C152 Capt, Yeager etc. didn't give cause for any doubt at their interviews.
My initial post concerning 'phone calls was misleading, if a person fronts to an interview with a plausible tale and fits the bill then no, no 'phone calls but if someone does a runner, breaks a bond etc.etc. then a new employer is quite likely to be suspicious if they find out and may well check through the network. This thread is about someone who got sacked, that would raise my doubts, for sure.
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Phone Home
If the individual in question goes to N. America, the interview panel may well say....." Cathy who ?"..."Where do they fly ?"
They may also sympathise with the individual !!
Carry on.....
They may also sympathise with the individual !!
Carry on.....
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Five G...very true mate..i bet thats exactly what would happen..most US airlines have more aircraft than CX has crews...why would they care about some small insignificant asian carrier that treats their pilots like dirt...ref. 49 of them.
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Ok, Parabellum
Now that explanation is a bit more of a plausible reason for contacting the current/previous employer. I agree on that.
Now I dont really see the point in a guy breaking a bond. I know guys who have done that and paid whatever cost - thats simply part of the CoS nothing wrong with that.
A "runner" - how would you know. I mean I can understand six-sense etc, bad explanations etc, but how do you actually know that?
Anyways for the guy "who got SACKED on purpose", why wouldnt he just show up at any interview and say that he is still employeed with the company or that he has given/will give the required notice?
As this business of ours is rocking up these days I also doubt that many employers are looking to deep into things, as a lot of the airlines are getting really short of crew (take a look at KA) and qualified applicants. GOOD
Sleeping Freight Dog. True my friend. It does not leave out the fact that you may experience better and worse airlines. The grass CAN actually be greener at some places - at the end of the day its also an individual thing.
Now that explanation is a bit more of a plausible reason for contacting the current/previous employer. I agree on that.
Now I dont really see the point in a guy breaking a bond. I know guys who have done that and paid whatever cost - thats simply part of the CoS nothing wrong with that.
A "runner" - how would you know. I mean I can understand six-sense etc, bad explanations etc, but how do you actually know that?
Anyways for the guy "who got SACKED on purpose", why wouldnt he just show up at any interview and say that he is still employeed with the company or that he has given/will give the required notice?
As this business of ours is rocking up these days I also doubt that many employers are looking to deep into things, as a lot of the airlines are getting really short of crew (take a look at KA) and qualified applicants. GOOD
Sleeping Freight Dog. True my friend. It does not leave out the fact that you may experience better and worse airlines. The grass CAN actually be greener at some places - at the end of the day its also an individual thing.
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So Para your implying that Cathay, BA, Emirates, Virgin, Easyjet and Ryanair etc all talk to each other? If someone was leaving Cathay for Emirates or BA for example you say that the CP's pilots from these two would ring the Cathay CP and ask about these fellows?
Hmmmzzz I find this hard to believe.
Hmmmzzz I find this hard to believe.
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In the U.S. most airlines would actually only confirm dates of employment anyway. As a policy, they won't say anything else in fear of getting slammed with a lawsuit if the individual ended up losing the new job.
So there you have it. If you must leave and not want CX to come after you for even more non sense, just do what that other bloke did. It worked for him. He's probably laughing with the 3 months salary he got.
So there you have it. If you must leave and not want CX to come after you for even more non sense, just do what that other bloke did. It worked for him. He's probably laughing with the 3 months salary he got.
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INTERVIEW
PANEL: Have you ever been sacked from an airline in the past?
CANDIDATE: Yes I have, I was sacked by Cathay.
PANEL: So what happened?
CANDIDATE: I was unable to make my flight, the flight got delayed and I was let go.
PANEL: Didn't they have any sby cover?
CANDIDATE: I am Afraid not
PANEL: Sorry, what was the name of the company again?
CANDIDATE: Cathay pacific
PANEL: Is that the Chinese lot that kept 400+ pax on board all night on the ground in SFO a couple of weeks ago?
CANDIDATE: I am afraid so.
PANEL: Riiight. When can you start?
PANEL: Have you ever been sacked from an airline in the past?
CANDIDATE: Yes I have, I was sacked by Cathay.
PANEL: So what happened?
CANDIDATE: I was unable to make my flight, the flight got delayed and I was let go.
PANEL: Didn't they have any sby cover?
CANDIDATE: I am Afraid not
PANEL: Sorry, what was the name of the company again?
CANDIDATE: Cathay pacific
PANEL: Is that the Chinese lot that kept 400+ pax on board all night on the ground in SFO a couple of weeks ago?
CANDIDATE: I am afraid so.
PANEL: Riiight. When can you start?
I am assuming he's being interviewed by the airline that likes crap in its aircraft.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=281365
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=281365
You guys really are dreaming.
Aviation is a really small world, we all know that.
I would suggest that 99% of all Airline Pilots in America and 100% of their Flight management would know exactly who Cathay Pacific are.
Good or bad.
Aviation is a really small world, we all know that.
I would suggest that 99% of all Airline Pilots in America and 100% of their Flight management would know exactly who Cathay Pacific are.
Good or bad.
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400 Jockey - given that some of CX management have worked for all of those airlines you have mentioned and some of those airlines management have worked for, at least, two of the others on your list then I would have to say, YES, don't for one minute imagine that, if there is any doubt, they will use their contacts from previous companies to 'check', they do, it happens all the time and eventually the bad eggs are discovered.
C152 Capt. If all that happened was an unrecorded 'phone call between two colleagues then it would be hard to establish grounds for a law suite.
Inciter - are you ex CX, failed CX or what? Anyway up you are not being very realistic.
Airlines with commercial numbers like CX and SIA are way up there on the list of 'airlines we need to emulate' for many carriers, including some North American and some European.
Yeager - as you can see from PPRuNe, airline pilots will gossip like a bunch of chicken and when times get hard they will eat their own young. If you leave any airline, big or small, under suspicious circumstances, you can rest assured your past will eventually catch you up, if you have in any way mislead your new employer about your past you are a candidate for immediate dismissal, it is usually written in the very first paragraphs of a contract.
C152 Capt. If all that happened was an unrecorded 'phone call between two colleagues then it would be hard to establish grounds for a law suite.
Inciter - are you ex CX, failed CX or what? Anyway up you are not being very realistic.
Airlines with commercial numbers like CX and SIA are way up there on the list of 'airlines we need to emulate' for many carriers, including some North American and some European.
Yeager - as you can see from PPRuNe, airline pilots will gossip like a bunch of chicken and when times get hard they will eat their own young. If you leave any airline, big or small, under suspicious circumstances, you can rest assured your past will eventually catch you up, if you have in any way mislead your new employer about your past you are a candidate for immediate dismissal, it is usually written in the very first paragraphs of a contract.
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parabellum,
I am the one you left out but not for much longer.
What exactly are some of Cx's and SIA's attributes that we should be emulating?
If you really knew what I know about SIA you wouldn't let your dog fly with them (not from a flight crew perspective), but that is another thread all together.
They have had real easy far too long but the low cost revolution is here. If they continue to operate with their heads buried in the sand, thinking they are so good, the Pan AM, Sabena, Swiss fate awaits them.
I have absolutely no problem working for an airline that puts safety and standards above all. The one thing that really pisses me off about CX is that they rule by intimidation and fear and there is no room for such BS in aviation these days. I thought I left that crap behind 15 years ago when I moved to Europe. People are afraid to speak up in case they fail their next check or even upgrade.
What the Fk does speaking your mind have to do with flying an aircraft?
I am the one you left out but not for much longer.
What exactly are some of Cx's and SIA's attributes that we should be emulating?
If you really knew what I know about SIA you wouldn't let your dog fly with them (not from a flight crew perspective), but that is another thread all together.
They have had real easy far too long but the low cost revolution is here. If they continue to operate with their heads buried in the sand, thinking they are so good, the Pan AM, Sabena, Swiss fate awaits them.
I have absolutely no problem working for an airline that puts safety and standards above all. The one thing that really pisses me off about CX is that they rule by intimidation and fear and there is no room for such BS in aviation these days. I thought I left that crap behind 15 years ago when I moved to Europe. People are afraid to speak up in case they fail their next check or even upgrade.
What the F
k does speaking your mind have to do with flying an aircraft?