Whats going on at the Dragon?
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From: The Harbour
Whats going on at the Dragon?
Dragon - "The China Expert"
It's going crazy in the mainland.. new airlines, lots of new aircraft on the way, airports are adding runways every week!
Meanwhile the "China Expert" has no new orders for aircraft. PVG routes being slowly taken over by CX
No expansion plans...
If Dragon cant make it work now... What
chance does it have?
None comes to mind.....
It's going crazy in the mainland.. new airlines, lots of new aircraft on the way, airports are adding runways every week!
Meanwhile the "China Expert" has no new orders for aircraft. PVG routes being slowly taken over by CX
No expansion plans...If Dragon cant make it work now... What
chance does it have?None comes to mind.....
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From: HK- A little bit of industrial China in every breath you take.
Tell him he's dreamin
Oh yeah, flushed with success of the launch of their SYD service, they really have a taste for blood at KA house! 9 330s? Nah. Maybe another KHH or TPE a day! Now thats pushing the envelope!!! 
Wonder if they have noticed the growth of everyone else at the airport?
Wonder if they have noticed the growth of everyone else at the airport?
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From: Hong Kong
Wonder if they have noticed the growth of everyone else at the airport?
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The CX plan is to take the narrowbodies off the PVG and PEK sectors and replace them with A330s - CX aircraft that KA will operate (crew numbers permitting).
Presumably it's a clever way of getting brand presence in China without the complications of transferring slots between companies.
Presumably it's a clever way of getting brand presence in China without the complications of transferring slots between companies.
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From: Fantasyland
CX are not stupid. Giving KA more CX flagged aircraft to run into China will, as stated, improve their presence and standing. Not only that but the flying will be done at a discount of around 20% over CX normal rates.
That is the approximate difference is salaries between the 2 companies.
Drink up!
Drunkenair.....(hic)
That is the approximate difference is salaries between the 2 companies.
Drink up!
Drunkenair.....(hic)
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A poorly understood point DA. If CX pilots fly a Dragon roster, the pay differences if overtime involved, can push beyond the 20%.
Dragon pilots. So cheap, but just can't get enough of them. Haw!!!!
No wonder they are advertising in Flight International again for Dragonair pilots. Doing everything they can to avoid a payrise.
Dragon pilots. So cheap, but just can't get enough of them. Haw!!!!
No wonder they are advertising in Flight International again for Dragonair pilots. Doing everything they can to avoid a payrise.
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From: HK- A little bit of industrial China in every breath you take.
Payrise? The only way we are going to get one of those, is when LCC wannabes start using KA for a free endorsement. Oasis, tiger, jetstar, or JetBlue anyone?
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From: HK- A little bit of industrial China in every breath you take.
Seriously mate? You hate it here that much that you now rate a company that is scrounging the worlds junk yards for aircraft to fly on the most saturated routes on earth, and charging pilots for endorsements as "forward thinking"? I wish you could convince 7 guys on HKRO of this! 
Now that would force a pay review! (And probably a management change as well!)
Now that would force a pay review! (And probably a management change as well!)
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From: Hong Kong
Ah ye dragons
I believe the following recent developments have been implemented by management to try revive the negative morale amongst your Freight Dogs. I was informed over beers by a rather cheesed off FE.
Crew Meals.....your menu has been "sliced". From your fattening array of meal choices to just "low-fat,salt, veggie or brekky" . So now you get what the man throws at you or your tasteless order.
Contact with crew control.....to enhance contactability one must phone crew control at the end of each duty to see if they have roster changes. HMMMM, bit strange that one I thought. Are they not able to use phones themselves.
Day off payments.......Dragon management are now offering FOs/FEs 200 quid and Capts 340 quid to come to work on a day off. This is apparently the answer to the lack of rostering and crew control. Alas it appears the amounts offered would not fund a few hours of serious beverage consumption so the guys feel it best to enjoy the rest day and stay home to study the endless flow of repititious and constantly re-issued manual amendments that management cannot seem to get correct in one, or several attempts.
The whole scenario has raised a few eybrows in the towers across Tung Fai road. It seems the powers a progressing from the opinion of, it cant really be that bad, to......................
I believe the following recent developments have been implemented by management to try revive the negative morale amongst your Freight Dogs. I was informed over beers by a rather cheesed off FE.
Crew Meals.....your menu has been "sliced". From your fattening array of meal choices to just "low-fat,salt, veggie or brekky" . So now you get what the man throws at you or your tasteless order.
Contact with crew control.....to enhance contactability one must phone crew control at the end of each duty to see if they have roster changes. HMMMM, bit strange that one I thought. Are they not able to use phones themselves.
Day off payments.......Dragon management are now offering FOs/FEs 200 quid and Capts 340 quid to come to work on a day off. This is apparently the answer to the lack of rostering and crew control. Alas it appears the amounts offered would not fund a few hours of serious beverage consumption so the guys feel it best to enjoy the rest day and stay home to study the endless flow of repititious and constantly re-issued manual amendments that management cannot seem to get correct in one, or several attempts.
The whole scenario has raised a few eybrows in the towers across Tung Fai road. It seems the powers a progressing from the opinion of, it cant really be that bad, to......................
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Whatever the CX boys have the Dragon will sure to get it.
Did not take them long to implement the mandatory calling of CC after a duty and the generous G day payment allowance. This has been going on at CX for long time.
As for the meals, if you have a medical problem with the meals, the CX GMA will expect you to find another job. His quote, not mine.
Expect your contract to change and it will not be for the better.
Good luck with it all.
Did not take them long to implement the mandatory calling of CC after a duty and the generous G day payment allowance. This has been going on at CX for long time.
As for the meals, if you have a medical problem with the meals, the CX GMA will expect you to find another job. His quote, not mine.
Expect your contract to change and it will not be for the better.
Good luck with it all.
