Commander's Discretion, and then some!
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All the times I have been in discretion, I have never been asked. Can't be intimidated if you are not asked, I suppose. It is just done.
Crew Control deducts your allowance when you are late. Just the reward for helping out.
Crew Control deducts your allowance when you are late. Just the reward for helping out.
Discretion used to be just that..discrete and not plastered all over PPrune...and everyone was willing to do it to bring home the bacon.
The company knew it and appreciated it by sharing the bacon.
As to why someone would even consider it now is beyond me.
The company knew it and appreciated it by sharing the bacon.
As to why someone would even consider it now is beyond me.
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True enough. I prefer to call it bullying. It only becomes intimidation if you succumb to the bullying.
I will still answer the phone when I needn't but there is no way I will fly out of hours anymore, for the very simple reason that it's like interpreting...all YOU can do is make a mistake...or in this case get ratted on.
True enough. I prefer to call it bullying. It only becomes intimidation if you succumb to the bullying.
I will still answer the phone when I needn't but there is no way I will fly out of hours anymore, for the very simple reason that it's like interpreting...all YOU can do is make a mistake...or in this case get ratted on.
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If you always do the right thing then your actions will bear scrutiny. It wasn't me on this NY trip but it just as easily have been! I wasn't there but as I have said before, I probably also would have extended. Why? Its good for the company, my crew and for the pax...they want to get to NY, so as long as it is SAFE and LEGAL, why not!?
Before I go into discretion I ask all the crew, in a no-guilt manner, who wants to extend. If anyone says no, we don't extend....simple! I make it clear that it is my decision ultimately. I have declined on several occasions as well, on my own behalf, even though my crew were happy to extend. I am happy to stand in the CPs office and justify all my actions.
So airing it on PPRUNE is a detail...I like it as it got me thinking what I would do in the same situation. This was a good lesson how close you can get to the absolute duty limits even though it looked like a straightforward enroute diversion. Lessons learned...no jeopardy!
just my 2cents worth.
Before I go into discretion I ask all the crew, in a no-guilt manner, who wants to extend. If anyone says no, we don't extend....simple! I make it clear that it is my decision ultimately. I have declined on several occasions as well, on my own behalf, even though my crew were happy to extend. I am happy to stand in the CPs office and justify all my actions.
So airing it on PPRUNE is a detail...I like it as it got me thinking what I would do in the same situation. This was a good lesson how close you can get to the absolute duty limits even though it looked like a straightforward enroute diversion. Lessons learned...no jeopardy!
just my 2cents worth.
Last edited by Numero Crunchero; 7th Feb 2007 at 02:00. Reason: speeling
Discretion used to be just that..discrete and not plastered all over PPrune...and everyone was willing to do it to bring home the bacon.
The company knew it and appreciated it by sharing the bacon.
As to why someone would even consider it now is beyond me.
The company knew it and appreciated it by sharing the bacon.
As to why someone would even consider it now is beyond me.
Flight Time Extensions
And I Suppose You're All Taking Into Consideration That Under The Cx Flight Time Limitations It Is Perfectly 'legal' To Have Performed This 'extension' When The Crew May Have Just Flown A 16 Hour Sector The Previous Day!
It's Also Possible To Have Done Hkg-lax-hkg-lax-hkg Flying Everyday And Having Two Extensions On Both Lax-hkg Legs....
Who's Yawning Now?....answer?
Who Isn't!
It's Also Possible To Have Done Hkg-lax-hkg-lax-hkg Flying Everyday And Having Two Extensions On Both Lax-hkg Legs....
Who's Yawning Now?....answer?
Who Isn't!
BlunderBus
And that is the exact reason why a captain can decline an extension to a FDP. It is there in black and white. I personally have flown with a captain that declined a request to extend a FDP on a ULH opp for a similar reason. No one questioned his decision and there were no ramifications later on. His decision as far as I was concerned was based on valid reasoning.
And that is the exact reason why a captain can decline an extension to a FDP. It is there in black and white. I personally have flown with a captain that declined a request to extend a FDP on a ULH opp for a similar reason. No one questioned his decision and there were no ramifications later on. His decision as far as I was concerned was based on valid reasoning.
24.4 After receiving a request, the aircraft Commander, taking into consideration all relevant factors, including the circumstances of the other crew members, including Cabin Crew members, and the over-riding consideration of safety, will inform the Company of his/her decision. The aircraft Commander may decline the request and also may elect to work less than the full extent of the provisions of 24.5, 24.6 or 24.7. The Commander’s decision in such matters will be final and unquestioned.
