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My favorite is 'work stacking'.
And I quote from the RP07 agreement "19.1 When a crew member has annual leave or sickness on the published roster, the roster for the remainder of the month will reflect TYPICAL DUTY CYCLE DISTRIBUTION for the crew members category and base."
I guess that explains why a few months ago how they managed to cram 81 hours into one month AND still give me two weeks leave. Or the time before that, after returning from leave and they only had 3 workable days left for the month, they still managed to give me 25 hours of duty.
Why hasn't this been addressed by the AOA in the recent negotiations, as I've certainly JRC'ed it and everyone else that I've spoken say the same. It's such an obvious breach of the rostering agreement, yet nothing changes. Why???
And I quote from the RP07 agreement "19.1 When a crew member has annual leave or sickness on the published roster, the roster for the remainder of the month will reflect TYPICAL DUTY CYCLE DISTRIBUTION for the crew members category and base."
I guess that explains why a few months ago how they managed to cram 81 hours into one month AND still give me two weeks leave. Or the time before that, after returning from leave and they only had 3 workable days left for the month, they still managed to give me 25 hours of duty.
Why hasn't this been addressed by the AOA in the recent negotiations, as I've certainly JRC'ed it and everyone else that I've spoken say the same. It's such an obvious breach of the rostering agreement, yet nothing changes. Why???
This has happened to me many times.
Anyone else????
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Where do we go from here?
What will stop “Work Stacking”, since it doesn’t happen? According to Holy Land and Skywalker.
What is the solution for reserve? More credit? With 12-hour reserve, will 6 hours be acceptable with no credit? When will the FDP start?
For the “No” voters, you will have to inform the committee on what is acceptable.
My opinion, I believe the company will ask the AOA for a re-vote as a majority of the AOA are in favor.
Why would there be 8 abstentions? Clearly they could have sold their vote to Cathay.
What will be acceptable?
What is the solution for reserve? More credit? With 12-hour reserve, will 6 hours be acceptable with no credit? When will the FDP start?
For the “No” voters, you will have to inform the committee on what is acceptable.
My opinion, I believe the company will ask the AOA for a re-vote as a majority of the AOA are in favor.
Why would there be 8 abstentions? Clearly they could have sold their vote to Cathay.
What will be acceptable?
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To answer Mr. Bloggs
Re Reserve, credit it back to 1 for 5 which will give a disincentive to roster long reserve periods and IMHO would be acceptable.
Re stacking the rosters during a month with leave, make the credit 84 divided by 30 which equals 2.8 hours per day on L, that's fair isn't it? How did they come up with 2 hours anyway?
Surely the more credits we get the more pay (or less work) we get and the more pilots the company need to meet the task, which is good for everyone, except maybe management!
Re Reserve, credit it back to 1 for 5 which will give a disincentive to roster long reserve periods and IMHO would be acceptable.
Re stacking the rosters during a month with leave, make the credit 84 divided by 30 which equals 2.8 hours per day on L, that's fair isn't it? How did they come up with 2 hours anyway?
Surely the more credits we get the more pay (or less work) we get and the more pilots the company need to meet the task, which is good for everyone, except maybe management!
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I don't know why you see the large yes vote as disconcerting, RP 07 is better than the fallback agreement.
The no voters are just gambling on the company and the AOA coming back to renegotiate. Lets hope they do because 2 years on the fallback followed by AFTLs thereafter whilst we wait for a decision from a judge could be quite painful!
The no voters are just gambling on the company and the AOA coming back to renegotiate. Lets hope they do because 2 years on the fallback followed by AFTLs thereafter whilst we wait for a decision from a judge could be quite painful!
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I agree with Striker58,
RP07 is not to bad, hopefully a bit of tweaking in the above mentioned area's and I am sure it will get through. The option to have 5-4-3 as a lifestyle request would be nice too.
Lets tell the GC why we voted it down, they need the feedback to fix it and get it through.
BTW the fallback is for 4 years.
20 L days and still managed to get me into overtime. Also strongly opposed to zero credit reserve. Fix these 2 issues and I'll vote for RP07.
Lets tell the GC why we voted it down, they need the feedback to fix it and get it through.
BTW the fallback is for 4 years.
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30 days no credit reserve.
Substitution of these no credit reserve days for rostered duties, to limit overtime payments (and they said it would never be done, though how many, including myself have seen it happen)
Reduced recovery times between patterns.
Sure we all want to have rostering included in our COS. Though if this was voted down and put back on the table for further negotiation, it is very likely a better deal would be offered. How else are they going to crew their flights with the proposed expansion.
Vote NO to RP07. We deserve a better agreement.
Substitution of these no credit reserve days for rostered duties, to limit overtime payments (and they said it would never be done, though how many, including myself have seen it happen)
Reduced recovery times between patterns.
Sure we all want to have rostering included in our COS. Though if this was voted down and put back on the table for further negotiation, it is very likely a better deal would be offered. How else are they going to crew their flights with the proposed expansion.
Vote NO to RP07. We deserve a better agreement.
