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Thanks for the reply, is this true - even for SO's joining after Jan. 2007 (assuming CoS 07 goes through)? Is this to say that once upgraded to FO they will still remain on the current CoS (CoS 99) or will they then be forced to accept the lower pay and the accompanying reduction in quality of CoS? This is the first I've heard of this - if true it's good news for people in my shoes, but still a raw deal over all for other new joiners.
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Nothing you can do and here is why.
The pilots do not think of the greater good for all pilots but only think of what will work for them at THIS time. I heard “I’ll never go on a base, so they can cut the salaries” and a couple of year later the wife says she is moving home. So if the based guys have something that suits them they will sign, and screw the others, same if the Hong Kong based pilots have something they will sign and screw the based pilots. It does not matter who screws whom. That is life of the pilots of Cathay Pacific. Pilots/New Joiners, Captains/First Officers/Second Officers are all the same. We at Management know this and we use it to our advantage. This is one trait of Cathay pilots that we adore and can exploit.
You will never get the pilots pulling in one direction. Too busy saying “I’m OK” and just plain fearful. Got to fancy this.
It seems many pilots don’t like the fallback position, so are going to vote yes on RP07. Those pilots know we will give them rosters that are so blundered; they wished they had signed RP07. We will make your life wretched in whatever way we can to teach you a lesson.
We see about 20 pilots posting on this forum that will be voting no, but ask around, you will receive a different response from pilots that don’t post or read Pprune. To them, RP07 is better then the fallback and they don’t get it forced on them, so it must be a good deal. In their mind they are better off. They beat the company by not having it forced on them, so are willing to take lower conditions.
Someone mentioned better travel scheme; dream on. Do you realize how much revenue we generate off our own staff? In the old days we had to get back our money we had stupidly given the pilots in the way of a travel fund. Ten years ago we stopped the travel fund and now we are basically taking money out of the pockets of the non-travel fund pilots. We charge a fuel surcharge to our staff, which is free money for Cathay Pacific. Don’t count on it changing.
We broke the union last year, we realized that the pilots of Cathay Pacific do not have the stomach for confrontation and will do anything to avoid it. The pilots know we will use our big stick to cut the heads off pilots that confront us or lead a confrontation. We have you living in fear. How many pilots do you see giving adverse comments on these deals in public? Even the so-called “hard core” pilots are keeping a low profile out of fear what we can and will do to them.
We have many pilots going above and beyond the call of duty because if they don’t, they know what we will do, even if the rules state different. We don’t receive adverse reports about the company anymore. As I said before, Fear is a great motivator. You don’t want to be the one sticking your head up.
We are confident the pilots will vote for RP07 because we know their character and it doesn’t change. As with any of these agreements, if they don’t pass, we will just implement them. I have heard one of the pilots put it “We are going to get the bat, it is up to us if we want it lubed or not”. We must stop slipping pilots in Bangkok.
We are now working behind the scene with the CAD to increase the duty times in Table A and B. This way we can have longer duty days to get in an extra sector and cut down on crew slipping at outports. Watch this space.
Voting by the AOA pilots is not even necessary; it is just to make you feel good. Either way, the agreements are going to be implemented, so you may as well vote yes and reduce your stress. We don’t want pilots getting so stressed and be absent from work again. I can assure you that will never happen at Cathay Pacific again.
As with the DEFO agreement, we will implement a new COS for new joiners, it’s not that hard.
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The pilots do not think of the greater good for all pilots but only think of what will work for them at THIS time. I heard “I’ll never go on a base, so they can cut the salaries” and a couple of year later the wife says she is moving home. So if the based guys have something that suits them they will sign, and screw the others, same if the Hong Kong based pilots have something they will sign and screw the based pilots. It does not matter who screws whom. That is life of the pilots of Cathay Pacific. Pilots/New Joiners, Captains/First Officers/Second Officers are all the same. We at Management know this and we use it to our advantage. This is one trait of Cathay pilots that we adore and can exploit.
You will never get the pilots pulling in one direction. Too busy saying “I’m OK” and just plain fearful. Got to fancy this.
It seems many pilots don’t like the fallback position, so are going to vote yes on RP07. Those pilots know we will give them rosters that are so blundered; they wished they had signed RP07. We will make your life wretched in whatever way we can to teach you a lesson.
We see about 20 pilots posting on this forum that will be voting no, but ask around, you will receive a different response from pilots that don’t post or read Pprune. To them, RP07 is better then the fallback and they don’t get it forced on them, so it must be a good deal. In their mind they are better off. They beat the company by not having it forced on them, so are willing to take lower conditions.
Someone mentioned better travel scheme; dream on. Do you realize how much revenue we generate off our own staff? In the old days we had to get back our money we had stupidly given the pilots in the way of a travel fund. Ten years ago we stopped the travel fund and now we are basically taking money out of the pockets of the non-travel fund pilots. We charge a fuel surcharge to our staff, which is free money for Cathay Pacific. Don’t count on it changing.
We broke the union last year, we realized that the pilots of Cathay Pacific do not have the stomach for confrontation and will do anything to avoid it. The pilots know we will use our big stick to cut the heads off pilots that confront us or lead a confrontation. We have you living in fear. How many pilots do you see giving adverse comments on these deals in public? Even the so-called “hard core” pilots are keeping a low profile out of fear what we can and will do to them.
We have many pilots going above and beyond the call of duty because if they don’t, they know what we will do, even if the rules state different. We don’t receive adverse reports about the company anymore. As I said before, Fear is a great motivator. You don’t want to be the one sticking your head up.
We are confident the pilots will vote for RP07 because we know their character and it doesn’t change. As with any of these agreements, if they don’t pass, we will just implement them. I have heard one of the pilots put it “We are going to get the bat, it is up to us if we want it lubed or not”. We must stop slipping pilots in Bangkok.
We are now working behind the scene with the CAD to increase the duty times in Table A and B. This way we can have longer duty days to get in an extra sector and cut down on crew slipping at outports. Watch this space.
Voting by the AOA pilots is not even necessary; it is just to make you feel good. Either way, the agreements are going to be implemented, so you may as well vote yes and reduce your stress. We don’t want pilots getting so stressed and be absent from work again. I can assure you that will never happen at Cathay Pacific again.
As with the DEFO agreement, we will implement a new COS for new joiners, it’s not that hard.
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This is a complex deal. It involves different pay scales for different bases and of course different pay scales for different ranks. There are also changes in CoS for New Joiners, none of which, in my opinion, are better than what we have now. For instance, CoS 07 provides for less leave than we have at the moment under CoS 99. Please understand clearly that under the proposed agreement, pilots joining from January 2007 will never be on CoS 99.
To answer your specific question, the Hong Kong pay scales under CoS 07 are the same as we have at present under CoS 99, except that two 'steps' have been taken off the top of the FO scale, which means that if airline growth stalls or an Officer is considered unsuitable for upgrade to Command, his pay increments will finish earlier than they do now.
Based pay scales have all been reduced under the proposed CoS 07, particularly in the US, but the Company does not, as yet anyway, recruit SOs directly to a base. They will be recruiting experienced FOs to a base though, and this will save them considerably in terms of Expatriate Benefits.
I just fail to see why we should agree to allow the Company to present New Joiners with less pay for doing the same job that all of us here do at present, so I am against voting for this agreement.
This is a complex deal. It involves different pay scales for different bases and of course different pay scales for different ranks. There are also changes in CoS for New Joiners, none of which, in my opinion, are better than what we have now. For instance, CoS 07 provides for less leave than we have at the moment under CoS 99. Please understand clearly that under the proposed agreement, pilots joining from January 2007 will never be on CoS 99.
To answer your specific question, the Hong Kong pay scales under CoS 07 are the same as we have at present under CoS 99, except that two 'steps' have been taken off the top of the FO scale, which means that if airline growth stalls or an Officer is considered unsuitable for upgrade to Command, his pay increments will finish earlier than they do now.
Based pay scales have all been reduced under the proposed CoS 07, particularly in the US, but the Company does not, as yet anyway, recruit SOs directly to a base. They will be recruiting experienced FOs to a base though, and this will save them considerably in terms of Expatriate Benefits.
I just fail to see why we should agree to allow the Company to present New Joiners with less pay for doing the same job that all of us here do at present, so I am against voting for this agreement.
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SO's under COS 07
The way I read it
SO's who join under COS 07 will get 3 weeks leave (same as COS 99) however when they upgrade they will still only get 3 weeks leave for the first two years as FO and then 4 weeks leave for year 3/4 FO. COS 99 would give them 4 weeks leave as JFO (usually 1 year) and then 6 weeks once QL (Year 2-4). Therefore SO's who also join on COS 07 on HKG base will worse off than the existing conditions. Also for them to go a base as FO1-4 after they have been an SO (if there is a base available) is a severe paycut from the current COS99.
SO's who join under COS 07 will get 3 weeks leave (same as COS 99) however when they upgrade they will still only get 3 weeks leave for the first two years as FO and then 4 weeks leave for year 3/4 FO. COS 99 would give them 4 weeks leave as JFO (usually 1 year) and then 6 weeks once QL (Year 2-4). Therefore SO's who also join on COS 07 on HKG base will worse off than the existing conditions. Also for them to go a base as FO1-4 after they have been an SO (if there is a base available) is a severe paycut from the current COS99.
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What I don't underdstand is why the AOA even looked at the proposal!!!! They should be fighting for better conditions for all pilots not worse conditions.
The current board at the AOA needs to stop taking the little handouts that CX management are giving them peronsally and actually stand up to CX and say
"No - this is not right"
You're allowed to stand up for your rights - you are the board of directors at the AOA aren't you? Then why not do your job properly. If not then get a new board!!!!!!!
When the world is crying out for "Experienced" pilots you are trying to get them worse conditions!!!!!!! Tell me how that works?????
The current board at the AOA needs to stop taking the little handouts that CX management are giving them peronsally and actually stand up to CX and say
"No - this is not right"
You're allowed to stand up for your rights - you are the board of directors at the AOA aren't you? Then why not do your job properly. If not then get a new board!!!!!!!
When the world is crying out for "Experienced" pilots you are trying to get them worse conditions!!!!!!! Tell me how that works?????
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The leave situation goes like this:
CoS 07: SO three weeks; FO1/FO2 four weeks; FO3/FO4 five weeks; SFO1 onwards six weeks.
Current CoS: SO three weeks; JFO (equivalent rank to CoS 07 FO1/FO2) four weeks; FO onwards six weeks.
There is one further two-year five-week step in there that New Joiners would have to sign up to under CoS 07, that represents a degradation to the CoS we currently enjoy. In effect, at least two 'free' weeks work for every pilot that joins under CoS 07 compared to presently employed pilots.
Two Cocks
I agree with your sentiment. I cannot understand why the AOA is endorsing lesser CoS for New Joiners at a time of world-wide tightening of the pilot recruitment market.
We have the opportunity to express this sentiment to the AOA GC and the Company by not endorsing their agreement, and I hope the agreement is seen for what it is and is voted down comprehensively.
localTCN
What is being advocated here is not industrial action. No 'golf days'. No WOE campaign, ('Withdrawal Of Enthusiasm' for those not acquainted with the term).
I believe that it is quite within our right to vote down an agreement which is clearly not in the best interests of ourselves or New Joiners, and I don't think we should expect a repeat of the '49er' situation, or any other punitive response along the same lines, as a result.
To consider that something such as you suggest may be the Company reaction to a rejection of this agreement is just scaremongering.
I will not vote to allow the Company to produce lesser CoS for New Joiners.
The leave situation goes like this:
CoS 07: SO three weeks; FO1/FO2 four weeks; FO3/FO4 five weeks; SFO1 onwards six weeks.
Current CoS: SO three weeks; JFO (equivalent rank to CoS 07 FO1/FO2) four weeks; FO onwards six weeks.
There is one further two-year five-week step in there that New Joiners would have to sign up to under CoS 07, that represents a degradation to the CoS we currently enjoy. In effect, at least two 'free' weeks work for every pilot that joins under CoS 07 compared to presently employed pilots.
Two Cocks
I agree with your sentiment. I cannot understand why the AOA is endorsing lesser CoS for New Joiners at a time of world-wide tightening of the pilot recruitment market.
We have the opportunity to express this sentiment to the AOA GC and the Company by not endorsing their agreement, and I hope the agreement is seen for what it is and is voted down comprehensively.
localTCN
What is being advocated here is not industrial action. No 'golf days'. No WOE campaign, ('Withdrawal Of Enthusiasm' for those not acquainted with the term).
I believe that it is quite within our right to vote down an agreement which is clearly not in the best interests of ourselves or New Joiners, and I don't think we should expect a repeat of the '49er' situation, or any other punitive response along the same lines, as a result.
To consider that something such as you suggest may be the Company reaction to a rejection of this agreement is just scaremongering.
I will not vote to allow the Company to produce lesser CoS for New Joiners.
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We pay the HKAOA General Secretary and his Secretary over $200,000.00 HKD per month in pay and benefits. Why are they even there? We should get rid of them an hire someone who can run it better. We should get a lawyer for that much. At least new blood would have a better relationship with the CAD and maybe get something done.
The Committee only has the power the members are willing to give them and from past experiences, the members don’t have much power.
Many complain, but not much else. Remember we lost half of our committee 5 years ago and the last two Presidents know this, so not much power to negotiate.
Hence, the bad deals coming through.
We pay the HKAOA General Secretary and his Secretary over $200,000.00 HKD per month in pay and benefits. Why are they even there? We should get rid of them an hire someone who can run it better. We should get a lawyer for that much. At least new blood would have a better relationship with the CAD and maybe get something done.
The Committee only has the power the members are willing to give them and from past experiences, the members don’t have much power.
Many complain, but not much else. Remember we lost half of our committee 5 years ago and the last two Presidents know this, so not much power to negotiate.
Hence, the bad deals coming through.
Two Cocks and Bloggs,
Your last posts have displayed your ignorance to all with a brain. You happily insult all AOA members, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, join the AOA, get elected to the GC and show everybody how its done?
Let me guess, no-one would vote for you because they all know you couldn't do it!!
Your last posts have displayed your ignorance to all with a brain. You happily insult all AOA members, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, join the AOA, get elected to the GC and show everybody how its done?
Let me guess, no-one would vote for you because they all know you couldn't do it!!
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Couldn’t do it , more like don’t want to do it.
I insult the pilot group and the AOA for good reason. Have you ever talked to the GS or Sec, not much help. Can’t figure out why we pay all that money. It could be better spent elsewhere. Tell me why the Gen Sec needs a Sec? Not like many pilots go to TST and visit the AOA office. We only have 9?? members.
The pilots............... why would you want to help the pilots that don’t want to help themselves???
How many Captains forward their MOR’s to the AOA for follow up? How many F/O’s/S/O’s write Hazard Reports (if any) and forward them to the AOA. How many pilots work on G-days? How many pilots answer there phones? How many acknowledge crew changes in Crew Direct, etc? Pilots don’t want to get involved. If I ever mentioned Contract Compliance, pilots would wet their pants.
Helping in contract negotiations is no a way to get a pay raise or better conditions.
The AOA does not even confront the company, if they do, PW tells them to pi$$ off and they do.
Show me the pilots standing up for themselves and I will join the committee, until then, the pilots get what they deserve.
For the AOA, show me they will act in the better interest of members and I will change my mind.
The AOA cannot even run a full committee. nobody wants to join because nothing gets done. The AOA needs to be “OVERHAULED”. The engine desperately needs replacement.
I hope you'll enjoy your new masters. You might want to consider paying them a monetary tribute each year- I know how much you want to keep in their good graces.
The Pilots and the AOA will forever be living on their knees.
Good luck on the new RP/COS/DEFO improvements.
Couldn’t do it , more like don’t want to do it.
I insult the pilot group and the AOA for good reason. Have you ever talked to the GS or Sec, not much help. Can’t figure out why we pay all that money. It could be better spent elsewhere. Tell me why the Gen Sec needs a Sec? Not like many pilots go to TST and visit the AOA office. We only have 9?? members.
The pilots............... why would you want to help the pilots that don’t want to help themselves???
How many Captains forward their MOR’s to the AOA for follow up? How many F/O’s/S/O’s write Hazard Reports (if any) and forward them to the AOA. How many pilots work on G-days? How many pilots answer there phones? How many acknowledge crew changes in Crew Direct, etc? Pilots don’t want to get involved. If I ever mentioned Contract Compliance, pilots would wet their pants.
Helping in contract negotiations is no a way to get a pay raise or better conditions.
The AOA does not even confront the company, if they do, PW tells them to pi$$ off and they do.
Show me the pilots standing up for themselves and I will join the committee, until then, the pilots get what they deserve.
For the AOA, show me they will act in the better interest of members and I will change my mind.
The AOA cannot even run a full committee. nobody wants to join because nothing gets done. The AOA needs to be “OVERHAULED”. The engine desperately needs replacement.
I hope you'll enjoy your new masters. You might want to consider paying them a monetary tribute each year- I know how much you want to keep in their good graces.
The Pilots and the AOA will forever be living on their knees.
Good luck on the new RP/COS/DEFO improvements.
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Mr Bloggs,
I hope that you will agree that in my posts on the subject of DEFO and CoS 07, I am not only standing up for ourselves, but also standing up for future New Joiners - those that have no voice and no current representation. Whilst not in the GC, I am an AOA member.
It is up to us as members to put our views to the AOA GC, and I hope, in voting this agreement down, the membership will have spoken clearly to their representatives and to the Company alike.
We cannot vote for a proposal that allows the Company to present lesser CoS to New Joiners like this.
I hope that you will agree that in my posts on the subject of DEFO and CoS 07, I am not only standing up for ourselves, but also standing up for future New Joiners - those that have no voice and no current representation. Whilst not in the GC, I am an AOA member.
It is up to us as members to put our views to the AOA GC, and I hope, in voting this agreement down, the membership will have spoken clearly to their representatives and to the Company alike.
We cannot vote for a proposal that allows the Company to present lesser CoS to New Joiners like this.
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Say again....???
Mr Bloggs:
It is really a shame we cannot funnel your emotion into something constructive.
If you are hoping for the AOA or any Pilot Assoc or Union in the modern aviation world to wield ultimate power over their employer, you a dreaming. Those days are long gone.
Now we can only hope to work with our respective employers to reach agreements. There is nothing said that this deal cannot be sent back for some updating. It is only if the company categoricaly says "take it or we impliment anyway (minus something or other)" that we would be facing an industrial situation. We are much better to do what we are doing and try to bring the deal more to what the pilot body accepts. Of course this is the "voting" pilot body. So if you have no vote then you have no opinion on the matter. You also have no control over your career. Whatever you think that level of control is, it is till more than with no AOA.
Sign up today and use that emotion iin a posotive way.
It is really a shame we cannot funnel your emotion into something constructive.
If you are hoping for the AOA or any Pilot Assoc or Union in the modern aviation world to wield ultimate power over their employer, you a dreaming. Those days are long gone.
Now we can only hope to work with our respective employers to reach agreements. There is nothing said that this deal cannot be sent back for some updating. It is only if the company categoricaly says "take it or we impliment anyway (minus something or other)" that we would be facing an industrial situation. We are much better to do what we are doing and try to bring the deal more to what the pilot body accepts. Of course this is the "voting" pilot body. So if you have no vote then you have no opinion on the matter. You also have no control over your career. Whatever you think that level of control is, it is till more than with no AOA.
Sign up today and use that emotion iin a posotive way.
Bloggs,
Basicly you're just one of the shortsighted, freeloading whiners that live off the fruits of others labours and payments. Through the AOA, we get access to, and take part in, the various IFALPA committees that do a great deal of work for the benefit of ALL pilots and passengers. The AOA is not just a Union it is a professional Association that has inputs into a number of areas.
There is nothing wrong with discussion, no matter how heated, within the AOA, thats how a concensus is achieved. If COS07 is rejected by the members thats fine. We are entitled to our votes.
This childish sniping just gives us a measure of your professionalism!
Basicly you're just one of the shortsighted, freeloading whiners that live off the fruits of others labours and payments. Through the AOA, we get access to, and take part in, the various IFALPA committees that do a great deal of work for the benefit of ALL pilots and passengers. The AOA is not just a Union it is a professional Association that has inputs into a number of areas.
There is nothing wrong with discussion, no matter how heated, within the AOA, thats how a concensus is achieved. If COS07 is rejected by the members thats fine. We are entitled to our votes.
This childish sniping just gives us a measure of your professionalism!
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Yes IFALPA really helped the 49ers and should the AOA be looking out for its own members first instead of other various IFALPA committees. Who pays your bills, it is the members, so start looking out for them instead of going to an IFALPA meeting in JNB.
Has anyone’s COS been better in the last 10-15 years? How many contracts are out there? A+, A, Super Super B, Super B, B and now Super Super Super C which will be knocked down to just C very quickly. But, the airspace over Africa and China are better than it was 10-15 years ago.
I am working more and doing it for less money. Now we have 30 free reserve days I am working even more for less money. Yes the AOA is really looking out for its members.
Childish sniping, sounds like I hit a nerve. I like to get value for money, but not so in this case.
We will have to wait until the voting is over to see what is in the cards for the pilots of CX. Somehow I don’t think their future is so bright, especially the new joiners and our current S/O’s.
Freeloading Scum, sounds like the Gen Sec and Company living off the payments and labours of the members.
If the Members were the shareholders of a business, they expect something in return for their money. Seems now, we spend a pound and get back 0.75 pence. Business will not last long. Surprised it lasted this long.
Has anyone’s COS been better in the last 10-15 years? How many contracts are out there? A+, A, Super Super B, Super B, B and now Super Super Super C which will be knocked down to just C very quickly. But, the airspace over Africa and China are better than it was 10-15 years ago.
I am working more and doing it for less money. Now we have 30 free reserve days I am working even more for less money. Yes the AOA is really looking out for its members.
Childish sniping, sounds like I hit a nerve. I like to get value for money, but not so in this case.
We will have to wait until the voting is over to see what is in the cards for the pilots of CX. Somehow I don’t think their future is so bright, especially the new joiners and our current S/O’s.
Freeloading Scum, sounds like the Gen Sec and Company living off the payments and labours of the members.
If the Members were the shareholders of a business, they expect something in return for their money. Seems now, we spend a pound and get back 0.75 pence. Business will not last long. Surprised it lasted this long.
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I have to disagree with your comments on making changes within the AoA.
I have been in my past been involved with various Airline Unions (World Wide). In all of them it's a pilot group protesting pilot issues. That's all well and good. But only to a certain degree. Unions do a lot of bickering within their ranks on stupid little points.
To change the union management it takes more than one person, it takes other members to vote for you and have a majority to pass issues. Something that is bigger than just one person.
I recently heard in a bar a pilot put it like this...
Q: "If you were an NBA star would you negotiate your own contract? If you were a Hollywood actor would you negotiate your own contract?"
A: "No"
Q: "Then why do we as pilots do it?"
Now I have to agree with this person. Why do pilots who have a personal interest get involved? Sure you want your issues raised and put forth but why not get a professional negotiator to do this for you. This is their job, not the pilot who's first job is to be a pilot. They are impartial but also know the inside management mind as well and all their dirty little tricks.
For the airline management this is what their jobs entail on a daily basis. For pilots their jobs entail flying the plane first...... so why not get a professional negotiator (one that does this for a living.... first and foremost) to work for us.
Thoughts and comments?
I have to disagree with your comments on making changes within the AoA.
I have been in my past been involved with various Airline Unions (World Wide). In all of them it's a pilot group protesting pilot issues. That's all well and good. But only to a certain degree. Unions do a lot of bickering within their ranks on stupid little points.
To change the union management it takes more than one person, it takes other members to vote for you and have a majority to pass issues. Something that is bigger than just one person.
I recently heard in a bar a pilot put it like this...
Q: "If you were an NBA star would you negotiate your own contract? If you were a Hollywood actor would you negotiate your own contract?"
A: "No"
Q: "Then why do we as pilots do it?"
Now I have to agree with this person. Why do pilots who have a personal interest get involved? Sure you want your issues raised and put forth but why not get a professional negotiator to do this for you. This is their job, not the pilot who's first job is to be a pilot. They are impartial but also know the inside management mind as well and all their dirty little tricks.
For the airline management this is what their jobs entail on a daily basis. For pilots their jobs entail flying the plane first...... so why not get a professional negotiator (one that does this for a living.... first and foremost) to work for us.
Thoughts and comments?
Two Cocks,
After your first comment,
"The current board at the AOA needs to stop taking the little handouts that CX management are giving them personally"
A fairly serious accusation to make of the GC and one that I'm sure you wouldn't have the guts to make face to face.
Because of that I am in two minds whether to take your last post seriously.
However, you raise a fair point and if enough members wanted that, were prepared to pay for that AND a suitable person could be found then it would be well worth considering.
Unfortunately, even if all these conditions were met if CX didn't want to give you something what would you do. As history shows pilots not in their home countries are not going to strike. With no stick what are you going to do.
After your first comment,
"The current board at the AOA needs to stop taking the little handouts that CX management are giving them personally"
A fairly serious accusation to make of the GC and one that I'm sure you wouldn't have the guts to make face to face.
Because of that I am in two minds whether to take your last post seriously.
However, you raise a fair point and if enough members wanted that, were prepared to pay for that AND a suitable person could be found then it would be well worth considering.
Unfortunately, even if all these conditions were met if CX didn't want to give you something what would you do. As history shows pilots not in their home countries are not going to strike. With no stick what are you going to do.