two more 777-300s
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two more 777-300s
From Reuters:
Cathay Pacific orders two Boeing 777-300 jets
Thu Jun 1, 2006 11:23 PM IST
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hong Kong flagship airline Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. said on Thursday it placed orders for two additional wide-body Boeing 777-300ER aircraft with a total list price of about $501 million.
The order means Cathay is now committed to buy 18 of the extended-range planes, after the airline placed its biggest ever order in December. It holds purchase rights for 18 more.
Cathay Pacific orders two Boeing 777-300 jets
Thu Jun 1, 2006 11:23 PM IST
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hong Kong flagship airline Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. said on Thursday it placed orders for two additional wide-body Boeing 777-300ER aircraft with a total list price of about $501 million.
The order means Cathay is now committed to buy 18 of the extended-range planes, after the airline placed its biggest ever order in December. It holds purchase rights for 18 more.
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I would hazard a guess at between 60-70 per aircraft, assuming it will be doing additional runs (did I hear 5 flights per day to LAX?). 
Taking into account the need for reserve crews, pilots on holidays, crews already on layover, etc. This could be reduced if our F&DT limits are increased. 
Taking into account the need for reserve crews, pilots on holidays, crews already on layover, etc. This could be reduced if our F&DT limits are increased.
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BusyB with the 773ER doing ULH then they are going to need more than two pilots per sector. Unless you know something I don't, which isn't difficult.
Here is what I was thinking. Keeping it really simple, say an extra two LAX per day, gives approx 120 extra sectors a month. If a pilot only does ULH then they’ll do three layovers a month. So 4 pilots to do 6 sectors, 120 / 6 equals 20, multiply by 4 pilots, gives you 80 needed. Now there are of course holidays, F&DT limits, need for reserves, more than three layovers a month and the fact that not all flights are going to need 4 crew. So the above is only a (very) rough calculation, hence my guess at around 70.
Here is what I was thinking. Keeping it really simple, say an extra two LAX per day, gives approx 120 extra sectors a month. If a pilot only does ULH then they’ll do three layovers a month. So 4 pilots to do 6 sectors, 120 / 6 equals 20, multiply by 4 pilots, gives you 80 needed. Now there are of course holidays, F&DT limits, need for reserves, more than three layovers a month and the fact that not all flights are going to need 4 crew. So the above is only a (very) rough calculation, hence my guess at around 70.
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Near Miss,
I don't know what CX's exact crewing numbers are (only that they are always undercrewed).
The standard crewing ratio for LH/ULH is between 10-12 crews per a/c which gives 20-24 pilots per a/c.
An LAX service takes about 1.5 days for the a/c to do the return (including the downtime) so 2 aircraft are going to do about 40 LAX's a month.
That is 80 crews, each crew does 3, thats 27 crews, 13.5 per a/c. Now if you take into account most of the 777's are short/medium haul and that equates to leave, Sim, sickness and reserve, I think you can see that 10-12 crews/aircraft is not a million miles away.
Disclaimer. I am not an expert on this, just been around a fair time.
I don't know what CX's exact crewing numbers are (only that they are always undercrewed).
The standard crewing ratio for LH/ULH is between 10-12 crews per a/c which gives 20-24 pilots per a/c.
An LAX service takes about 1.5 days for the a/c to do the return (including the downtime) so 2 aircraft are going to do about 40 LAX's a month.
That is 80 crews, each crew does 3, thats 27 crews, 13.5 per a/c. Now if you take into account most of the 777's are short/medium haul and that equates to leave, Sim, sickness and reserve, I think you can see that 10-12 crews/aircraft is not a million miles away.
Disclaimer. I am not an expert on this, just been around a fair time.
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I thought one crew for ULH was 4 pilots. And we are talking 773ER which will mostly be used for ULH to JFK, LAX and later SFO. 
Anyway, I was thinking of the number of ULH flights per day (using LAX as an example) and thus the number of pilots just to do those flights. I also have been told (straight from the horse's mouth) that one extra LAX per day means 70 extra pilots.
It doesn’t really matter; whatever the crew:aircraft ratio, more aircraft means more pilots. Which is a good thing.
Anyway, I was thinking of the number of ULH flights per day (using LAX as an example) and thus the number of pilots just to do those flights. I also have been told (straight from the horse's mouth) that one extra LAX per day means 70 extra pilots.
It doesn’t really matter; whatever the crew:aircraft ratio, more aircraft means more pilots. Which is a good thing.
