Chinese ethnic get paid less at CX?
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Chinese ethnic get paid less at CX?
I'm a Chinese American wanting to work for CX in the future. However, after going through all the topics in this forum, I started to have second thoughts about this. Especially after reading one topic stating that pilot with Chinese ethnic background get less pay. Is this true?
Since I just got my CPL in the states and is working on my CFI, there is still a lot of things I need to learn. Can some one explain the following.
ASL?
P2X?
Veta?
Thank you all in advance. Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
Since I just got my CPL in the states and is working on my CFI, there is still a lot of things I need to learn. Can some one explain the following.
ASL?
P2X?
Veta?
Thank you all in advance. Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
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1. Ethnic Chinese only get paid less if they are locally recruited. Actually they don't get less salary only less benefits such as housing/ education etc. Unfortunately the cost of Housing & Education is astronomical in HK. If you are recruited as an expat - regardless of race you will get the expat package. If you have a HKID card don't tell them or you might be told to apply as a local- leave race out of it-just emphasise that you are an American. FYI there are "ethnic europeans" on the local scale since they had HKID cards and went through the cadet program.
2. ASL (Aircrew Services Limited) was a disasterous attempt to undercut mainline wages & seniority (local & expat). ASL pilots flew the freighters at el-cheapo rates. The creation of ASL was one of the major factors that has lead to the appalling industrial climate that exists here. ASL has been partially negotiated out of existance and now if you apply to the freigther division you will be a CX employee on the CX seniority list. Salary is still bad but at least, when seniority allows, you can bid over to pax fleet with the better pay.
In one of life's little ironies - you need more time and heavier endorsements to get into the substandard Freighter division (F/O entry only) than you do to get in as a Mainline S/O. I guess thats the price you pay for getting a window seat 2 years earlier.
3. P2X is a dodgy rating they give second officers that allows them to be cruise pilots only - wouldn't want you to get a full P2 or you might leave for greener pastures! It also saves on Aircraft base training - you won't get any. All P2X type rating is done in the sim.
4.Veta/USAB - CX controlled companies that pilots based outside Hong Kong are employed by. It's a technicality - doesn't affect your CX seniority etc.
2. ASL (Aircrew Services Limited) was a disasterous attempt to undercut mainline wages & seniority (local & expat). ASL pilots flew the freighters at el-cheapo rates. The creation of ASL was one of the major factors that has lead to the appalling industrial climate that exists here. ASL has been partially negotiated out of existance and now if you apply to the freigther division you will be a CX employee on the CX seniority list. Salary is still bad but at least, when seniority allows, you can bid over to pax fleet with the better pay.
In one of life's little ironies - you need more time and heavier endorsements to get into the substandard Freighter division (F/O entry only) than you do to get in as a Mainline S/O. I guess thats the price you pay for getting a window seat 2 years earlier.
3. P2X is a dodgy rating they give second officers that allows them to be cruise pilots only - wouldn't want you to get a full P2 or you might leave for greener pastures! It also saves on Aircraft base training - you won't get any. All P2X type rating is done in the sim.
4.Veta/USAB - CX controlled companies that pilots based outside Hong Kong are employed by. It's a technicality - doesn't affect your CX seniority etc.
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Local pilots, most of whom are chinese but some who are gweilo who have right to work in HKG and are HK permanent residents get paid the same in $$$ as expat recruited pilots, they do not recieve a housing allowance and some of their health benefits differ. This scheme is for pilots who were recruited as cadets, into the cadet pilot program! Zero fligt time, 1 year in the UK or now austrailia and you were sittung relief in a 747-400 or 340! after 3 years they become FO's it is all on the web site.
If you were to get 3000 hours on your own, livinf 4 to a single bedroom apt for 3 years, flying out of all the holes of the world, you can then apply for direct enttry SO positions and get a housing allowance!
Local pilots are eligible to join Veta, the company that bases pilots outside HKG!
ASL, no longer exists!
P2x means you are rated in the airplane but not alowed to take off or land! ( cruise pilot only )
check out the CX website for more details
If you were to get 3000 hours on your own, livinf 4 to a single bedroom apt for 3 years, flying out of all the holes of the world, you can then apply for direct enttry SO positions and get a housing allowance!
Local pilots are eligible to join Veta, the company that bases pilots outside HKG!
ASL, no longer exists!
P2x means you are rated in the airplane but not alowed to take off or land! ( cruise pilot only )
check out the CX website for more details
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Busdriver
not quite correct. Cadets do not receive expat benefits as you indicated. However, we do have a number of LEPs who have had the required hours before joining CX only to be told that because they were Chinese they would be employed on local terms. Sad but true.
not quite correct. Cadets do not receive expat benefits as you indicated. However, we do have a number of LEPs who have had the required hours before joining CX only to be told that because they were Chinese they would be employed on local terms. Sad but true.
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Despite 1/effectively paying back the course fees within 3 years of being a 2nd officer. 2/our counterparts that do the same paralell courses at different airlines getting paid the same as direct entry pilots(qf,ba,sa,vn,ma,tg etc.......) 3/doing the same job in cx as all other direct entry pilots, our ex-cadets continue to receive no housing benefit and no education benefit. perhaps they are expected not to have any children? who knows, however, the colonial shadow continues to stands over cx in a clearly non colonial Hong Kong. Moreover, over the road at dragonair, the cadets receive housing benefit! go figure.
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Beef,
Just for your information, the KA cadets who have been recruited in the last 2 batches DO NOT receive any housing allowances. The first few batches of cadets who were recruited in the late 80's and are now captains and senior first officers with KA however, are still given housing allowances.
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Just for your information, the KA cadets who have been recruited in the last 2 batches DO NOT receive any housing allowances. The first few batches of cadets who were recruited in the late 80's and are now captains and senior first officers with KA however, are still given housing allowances.
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Dear All:
Thank you all for replying. I really really appreciated all the the info. Once I make that 1000 hr mark, I will send in my resume. Can anyone tell me what kind of hours I will need to be competitive for hire? BTW, will CX fly into China in the future or does dragon air takes care of that part of the world for CX. Someone told me that CX might start flying into China in the future.
One last question. Does CX take on pilots with laser corrected vision? I use to be nearsighted and have Lasik done last year. I now have 20/20 vision. Will this be a no no with CX? Thanks
Thank you all for replying. I really really appreciated all the the info. Once I make that 1000 hr mark, I will send in my resume. Can anyone tell me what kind of hours I will need to be competitive for hire? BTW, will CX fly into China in the future or does dragon air takes care of that part of the world for CX. Someone told me that CX might start flying into China in the future.
One last question. Does CX take on pilots with laser corrected vision? I use to be nearsighted and have Lasik done last year. I now have 20/20 vision. Will this be a no no with CX? Thanks
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2500 hrs is the lowest level that you could reasonably be in with a shot (on something that carries at least a few pax...C152/172/182 etc. time is not taken seriously). Dragonair does China, and DON'T say anything about Lasik...CX's PMO does NOT like Lasik, and many candidates have been turned down over Lasik.
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Djoni,
What you're saying is not fully correct,
I'am gonna work for the Company you state,
I'am not British,and my experienced is
only 10 years of flying.
What I agree is,the ability is depend on
the knowledge,besides other to support it.
Be realistic,applying for Major Airlines,
based on the Competitions at the time.
m_t
[This message has been edited by moon_towers (edited 18 October 2000).]
What you're saying is not fully correct,
I'am gonna work for the Company you state,
I'am not British,and my experienced is
only 10 years of flying.
What I agree is,the ability is depend on
the knowledge,besides other to support it.
Be realistic,applying for Major Airlines,
based on the Competitions at the time.
m_t
[This message has been edited by moon_towers (edited 18 October 2000).]
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question : why do the local chaps get paid less for doing EXACTLY the same job? what is the common factor that distinguishes them, and why hasn't it been addressed. Surely, if they were not able to do the same job, cx would not keep them? Any input anybody? Local chaps where are your voices????????
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The difference is that mum and dad live in town, and CX expects them to live at home, for free. Therefore no housing allowance. Also, because our local bretheren were brought up here they are immune to all those Asian diseases and polluted air. Therefore reduced medical cover !!!!